From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Indentation of def* Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:22:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87bl3ea76o.fsf@gnus.org> References: <878ryw1ptl.fsf@gnus.org> <87czo2lq0d.fsf@gnus.org> <87v91s876d.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee8gnlar.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6362"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Dg8KjbyBUw4PCoXZvcmE=?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 24 15:23:27 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1medTD-0001Ty-DX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:23:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58580 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1medTC-00034j-Bh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:23:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50206) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1medSY-0001tQ-TN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:22:46 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:33774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1medSW-0005zC-TB; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:22:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=baLYdOL4G8y/aFWPWgFdiOXj1NfmO47M34esNFztd+4=; b=AqeJN1jt/F/ZvsURX6IyE+M6xu MsulTyURcNVcs9Jr1UnSK6NRBHxdqnVw4m8a9ZiJA+N+A/5fI7Sqqt8wqfCGFZYh9eZQGWAdpWGGn BtpVFj6ouLjHIPmo8rwOQDI7Y0q/P3elctOYblXg9JrFnPsE9iV1WZvbzeQbMkBd+Xbg=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1medSS-0007JP-2r; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:22:42 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEUwGA+kTy7olFT/ //+IyZgpAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+UKGAw3DMXrUjsAAADuSURBVCjPjc8xbsMwDABA ETB/EP6HAerdQyjAmtMhekWf0KFTpw42EOuVJSlZdjrVg8QzRZEKYf9IpMeXM3DUGHaB3HpGIf9B mOkEeoEfQ+EzwrGRdxto9l8OpIet6CXgB4i4Zu5eUxG/bGvT2tR9JqvRF16nBk0IOea79pXJqzCt DqjYDOygVKyeR4PkzSBivfEhFUu4eD9DXIJo/G4XSFrAIA0otvsE+Yk3R9ClPHGihmiQivituDbk ohgbSilLzyh+GsDwiXzgAxg7GJh6DcNEaY0H8tbwZljzDrvgD+AVKZcBGBwp520Ae2T5BQcodEfp GrRSAAAAOGVYSWZNTQAqAAAACAABh2kABAAAAAEAAAAaAAAAAAACoAIABAAAAAEAAAGQoAMABAAA AAEAAAGQAAAAADj5TfYAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMTAtMjRUMTI6NTU6MTErMDA6 MDB+Lt0lAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTEwLTI0VDEyOjU1OjExKzAwOjAwD3NlmQAA ABJ0RVh0ZXhpZjpFeGlmT2Zmc2V0ADI2UxuiZQAAABh0RVh0ZXhpZjpQaXhlbFhEaW1lbnNpb24A NDAwQPmChgAAABh0RVh0ZXhpZjpQaXhlbFlEaW1lbnNpb24ANDAw3fZj8AAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 23 Oct 2021 19:26:34 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277653 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > But I conjecture it will almost never happen anyway -- that people > break the line there so rarely that it hardly qualifies as a problem. It happens all the time. Consider: (let ((not-default 'bar) (default 'foo)) ) (Note different indentation of the two values.) > That's true. The convention of macros called `with-...' macros > started in the 1990s, I think. > > I suggest we look at adding a few more indentation heuristics. > We could start with `with-...' The introduction of the `with-*' macros, added three decades ago without any such heuristic, shows that these heuristics aren't necessary (or useful). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no