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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279983 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> "RS" =3D=3D Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >> > 3. Patches, that contain more than 15 lines, which according to >> > https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/Legally-Significant= .html >> > is legally relevant. However the current HEAD (tip) state of the >> > repository contains less than 15 lines or even no line at all. >> > Now there are two possibilities. >> >=20 >> > a. The orginal patch is no longer relevant, and therefore no ac= tion is needed. >> > That is what common sense would tell me. >> >=20 >> > b. Although the code is not present now, it was present in some >> > commit in the past, therefore the rest of the commits is >> > derivative work. > It isn't quite that simple and rigid. The question that needs to be > answered is: is a substantial part of the current code more or less a > rewriting of the original patch? If so, then that part is a > derivative of the original patch. > The FSF can can ask a lawyer about the specific case, if that's > necessary. Ok, I see. I am planning to do the following: I will extract all patches sent to us in the last two decades and compare it with the actual version and put in a directory for someone to inspect. (I have to think about the details) The case I had in mind was (that is anyhow very short but just to emphasize my point) ,---- | diff --git a/elisp/matlab-emacs/matlab.el b/elisp/matlab-emacs/matlab.el | index 63ce838..71b6ff0 100755 | --- a/elisp/matlab-emacs/matlab.el | +++ b/elisp/matlab-emacs/matlab.el | @@ -3731,6 +3731,6 @@ If ARG is nil, then highlighting is toggled." | post-command-hook) | -1 1))) | (if (> arg 0) | - (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'matlab-start-block-highlight-timer) | - (remove-hook 'post-command-hook 'matlab-start-block-highlight-time= r)))) | + (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'matlab-start-block-highlight-timer nil :l= ocal) | + (remove-hook 'post-command-hook 'matlab-start-block-highlight-time= r :local)))) |=20=20 `---- But we removed *all* calls to the post-command-hook in the current matlab.el version and that is why I think, the current version is *not* derivative work of this particular patch. 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