From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contradictiory directions Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:39:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87bl1ikpp0.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20211211035614.15517.53830@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87y24r33bn.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ilvu1ldh.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a6h5tap6.fsf@gnus.org> <87tufbu7jg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y24nr6nk.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf0ntz0t.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnk6mjlm.fsf@gnus.org> <877dc6tjz0.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k0g6mivu.fsf@gnus.org> <87y24ms4jj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87fsqumi16.fsf@gnus.org> <87tufas40e.fsf@yahoo.com> <877dc6mhjc.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmpys3gv.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735mumgyy.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf0ms2to.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6455"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , stefankangas@gmail.com To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 15 13:44:45 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxTeG-0001TY-8K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:44:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47496 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxTeF-0005mx-7O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:44:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47684) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxTYz-0002hd-SB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:39:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2] (port=42020 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxTYy-00050r-9a; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:39:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=fgE9ptmSydsqTDzBEoJpx1rMjBiTQbA/oXViZcdtRsQ=; b=Kwl7BRHzgyX7qUii4fFOpdbcr0 JPt3VDePgyssuX2DAVeVCI/+I5NFHZauVp4m2OiQ37mPiEtp00A4tzFiI6IHgJMfa7so4RjbN+Lvo r+e43K55JEwTW4+1ZcBLpkMB8Ami9t8NZv9wKWHJjZHRE6PsCO5Y1lcDZn5sZmhpucmg=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxTYq-0004sJ-2y; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:39:11 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEVzh4uuvrxBUFX/ //8ut8HHAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+UMDws4HvYLs78AAAF9SURBVCjPPdJBa4MwFAfw tJhSPHWl2WEnHStUv4VlHc6TSp4MT9vYofRT2GJ28DjWnasQiO9TLia2gpAf/5eX8JQQWjAYniJd EQ2hlx9Q3sDaEVwA/w5YbgA0S7y54BZ+/qNmEiyivEQ8Q+oMgDSc4jmzCZStF8q3dGFwOAlXZimx cNhWXsuSih36aGyAE0j6V7unQP32WcoHrFAYOBYMCpXZMtcAbOtQ36VQOwPmnijkY0KTTtzK6OFL wsMIP3458qS3CF4/q2wbjNiHRz8cE7qfV/7UYsXiqG7vLO5ZOZdy0lrQsiPtY1/oqxGHlsT5fWxz A8Enu/NUlKabKJRXd1fkuD+hHtUAmSpnicKMiq0BvxYNs/jg6P00zJzDIo6X2TB4vdbf0PNyDeDE VQze3/8almBFEHs4+Pd4RlQW8g8FXhRRJlk0EpXF/qluxAWvyfO87oY9KoDNmm47ZRpsAL1qurFQ gN0yDlRosFJ+QoLhHP3vLI/r+FnxmPwDfgizGO14aqQAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEt MTItMTVUMTE6NTY6MzArMDA6MDBFx8rFAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTEyLTE1VDEx OjU2OjMwKzAwOjAwNJpyeQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Propaganda's _A Secret Wish_: "Dream Within A Dream" In-Reply-To: <87lf0ms2to.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:13:39 +0800") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282024 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > These are system libraries, all of which are either free or have free > replacements. I don't think we allow features that depend on > proprietary libraries that have no free replacement. We don't link against such libraries, but there's nothing we can do to disallow a user from doing so. Fortunately. > And to distribute a binary of Emacs that links against a non-free > non-system library would be illegal. Distribution is a whole nother kettle of fish. > Even if the world has "moved on" (which is hardly a given), software > (Emacs even more so) has historically used the "old" terms, which there > is no need to change. So as I said, can we please keep the situation > simple by using the terminology which we have always used, which is to > say, "blacklist" and "whitelist". Sorry, no. And I find it pretty odd to quibble about allowlist/blocklist -- they're clearly better terms than the vague whitelist/blacklist terms. They're self explanatory terms, while the old ones were jargon you had to learn. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no