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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288104 Archived-At: Daniele Nicolodi writes: > I think restoring the contrast is very easy tweaking the distance > between the background colors. Maybe the merit of removing the 3D box > and increasing the padding (box line width technically) should be > evaluated separately from the exact choice of colors. I don't have a specific opinion either way, but in my opinion the 3D box is currently what makes the mode line stand out from buffer text. Remove it (or even replace it with a flat box), and that contrast is immediately lost. N.B. that we already have themes which people who want a mode line without a raised box can use, such as the several modus themes that come with Emacs.