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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289239 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> "TC" =3D=3D Tim Cross writes: > Uwe Brauer writes: >> [[S/MIME Signed Part:Undecided]] >>=20 >>> On 03.05.2022 07:59, Uwe Brauer wrote: >>> My understanding may not be perfect, but having considered a similar >>> conundrum for a work-integration, I landed on the conclusion that SMTP >>> and IMAP should keep working as long as you use app-passwords for >>> logging in to your account. If so, that should probably be adequate >>> for Emacs too. >>=20 >>=20 >> I am not to understand the meaning of app-passwords. >>=20 > There is nothing too concerning here. An application password is just > another password you can use to authenticate for a specific purpose. You > could in fact have 2 application passwords - 1 for IMAP and 1 for SMTP. > These application passwords are typically much longer than most user > passwords and you don't get to select it - the password is generated for > you.=20 > Your 'normal' Google password will only work as part of a 2FA > authentication process. You enter your account name (google email > address usually), your password and then a 2nd factor (fingerprint, code > from an authentication app, hardware key etc). If your IMAP or SMTP/MUA > clients support oauth2, you don't need application passwords, you can > just use your google username/password and 2nd factor. Problem is, many > clients, particularly older ones, don't support oauth2. The situation is > further compounded by the fact that oauth2 implementations vary enough > that it is very difficult to just implement a 'generic' oauth2 solution > in a high level, easy to use manner. For example, it is possible to > configure Emacs' SMTP to use oauth2, but it is clunky, requires a > significant level of udnerstanding of oauth2 and manual steps > (such as getting a token from a web page and putting it into your configu= ration). Hm, but did you successfully configure gnus with your app password in orde= r to receive (imap) and to send (smtp). If so, could you please share your configuration. Or are you saying it is simply to use (setq gnus-select-method (list 'nnnil ""))=20 (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods nil) (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '( (nnimap "UCMgmail" (nnimap-address "imap.gmail.com") (nnimap-server-port 993) ;; (nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo.gpg") (nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo") (nnimap-stream ssl) ;;(nnimap-stream starttls) (nnimap-fetch-partial-articles "text/") (nnir-search-engine imap)))) And put in authinfo my app password instead my =C2=ABnormal=C2=BB one? --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCE8cw ggWDMIIDa6ADAgECAg9dk40wZzbIBh0ax1SEaQcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwOzELMAkGA1UEBhMC RVMxETAPBgNVBAoMCEZOTVQtUkNNMRkwFwYDVQQLDBBBQyBSQUlaIEZOTVQtUkNNMB4XDTA4MTAy OTE1NTk1NloXDTMwMDEwMTAwMDAwMFowOzELMAkGA1UEBhMCRVMxETAPBgNVBAoMCEZOTVQtUkNN 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