From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rob Browning Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:25:21 -0500 Message-ID: <87bkqunnni.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83tu4odez7.fsf@gnu.org> <871qrrpkgx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <83czbaafnj.fsf@gnu.org> <83ill21adr.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6950"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 02 19:26:45 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1of2jk-0001eR-W7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 19:26:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35328 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of2jj-0007q5-R3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:26:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57470) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of2iX-0006S6-4d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:25:29 -0400 Original-Received: from defaultvalue.org ([45.33.119.55]:37450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of2iR-0005Fy-Md; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 249692013E; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 12:25:22 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 697FD14E081; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 12:25:21 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <83ill21adr.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.33.119.55; envelope-from=rlb@defaultvalue.org; helo=defaultvalue.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296652 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > That still doesn't explain it to me (I don't use Debian). Can you > elaborate what kind of packages are we talking about, in the context > of this discussion? One possible way to look at it -- on a Debian system I think you'd generally apt install emacs # (or gcc-12 or ...) if you just wanted to use emacs or gcc, or... And that would install the binaries, more or less, i.e. roughly like "make install", but with automatic dependency resolution, etc. And note that with many tools that would get you *just* the binaries, i.e. no source at all for say gcc, libc, grep, git, etc. If you wanted to investigate, fix, enhance the packaging itself, then you might apt source emacs which would download the packaging and unpack it in the current directory, as say emacs-28.1+1-3/, and where all the packaging related-changes, including any patches applied to the upstream code, would be clearly visible in a emacs-28.1+1-3/debian/ subdirectory in the emacs source. For many packages these days you might also be able to just clone the Debian packaging archive, e.g. git clone https://salsa.debian.org/rlb/deb-emacs.git which might be preferable if you're more comfortable with git. And finally, if your primary interest is the upstream source, and/or running and/or working on anything other than the versions debian currently provides, I suspect you'd likely want to git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/emacs.git i.e. you wouldn't need and might well not want the debian packag(ing|es) at all. Hope this helps. -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2011-07-10 E6A9 DA3C C9FD 1FF8 C676 D2C4 C0F0 39E9 ED1B 597A GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4