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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 9ed2de95ef552192c0f659e010a97504; Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:35:29 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <833507ptv3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 25 Aug 2023 08:35:12 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21763 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.189.82; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309193 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Sorry, I don't understand the above. You seem to be saying that > notifications are unrelated to D-Bus? But doesn't > notifications-notify work by using D-Bus capabilities? That's what I'm trying to articulate, yes. notifications-notify merely employs D-Bus in the role of a mechanism for communicating with the desktop environment; D-Bus itself doesn't provide notifications itself. > From my POV, w32-notification-notify thingy is not important enough to > care about it. Newer Windows versions moved to a completely different > machinery for desktop notifications, which Emacs doesn't support (and > AFAICT cannot support, as using them requires C++). In all the years > since I wrote that code, I've heard no complaints and no evidence of > this feature being used by anyone. So I see no reason to risk > potential problems by removing the condition. The catalyst for my question was an inquiry by a user regarding the absence of `w32-notification-notify' from a Windows build with D-Bus.