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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309590 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >>> Why? If the NonGNU people are "too cool for school" after having been >>> invited to GNU, why should the GNU project make even more special >>> accomodations for them? Not up to me to decide anyway. >> >> Mainly because this will affect users, not the maintainer.=20=20 >> [...] >> Also, I don't see a reason to provoke the Clojure-mode maintainers. I >> disagree with their reasoning and fear they have been misinformed, but >> the best way to remedy situations like these is to be understanding and >> prove ourselves to be cooperative by example (IMO). > > You seem to be under the misguided impression that my proposal is meant > to bother, provoke or help change the minds of the NonGNU Clojure > maintainers? It's not. Not so much that that is the intention, but just that the Clojure-mode developers might not like using the same name, when for this example a different name would have the same use. There are a few here in the thread, perhaps they can comment on it.