From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Blog post Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:30:01 +0100 Message-ID: <87bkatw58b.fsf@web.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10883"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.10.8; emacs 30.0.50 Cc: Eshel Yaron , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 14 09:37:48 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rDhE4-0002e6-8G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:37:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rDhDA-0008AD-N8; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 03:36:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rDhD6-00083S-BT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 03:36:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rDhCv-0004bj-BH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 03:36:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1702542981; x=1703147781; i=arne_bab@web.de; bh=KjM073Hea7eSNbTBNZ5LsRxX0ZTiOSgump8C8L5wpbc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date: In-reply-to; b=Wf2I5coUpsBE4IWwM+pV6HeXoQKRKbaICiws04THkzpGwYHyW2taGvu+mWuQiV4Q FIRraXyGf2D0L3u/rheDmEr5xJ2gLyFvN/9ii/FHGRXODBwm0Fs3Yv5z63542eNAA Rybk9diJ7RgxGPWQjQ1fIDC0fuxl053nKFLDA9Qd6oh9ede3g58YJa7Bvn3Ht0DHo NIev1EZmWJUhpt5+co4biZXbGrHJ4n7AQnp4b098sKPPVkOuaQ66pd0ircapNH5Ga y48LH2q1pRGk0lVvtNm/pwWp0oIP+QY8USdKWe9FkC+WJdld+3M4wdvMuEJKF67Rk J5+gI9V49C+IXGR33w== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Original-Received: from fluss ([84.165.16.40]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb105 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N1LwP-1rJuKU1XQZ-012cul; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:36:21 +0100 In-reply-to: X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:7i2/qSLwEcEy29f/9ShBgR/ck4dKcgSQW6iNO29HHMDCrQrV5h/ 6a5HbdsBZ9i8IzD6dPmVpJ7hatiJqWQjK1sYwOOkoFmQCGEZ6M1xLiolNh7cJc80f6IH9AP i0ZWsUjNjbAwMA4YsN1y1wEVVj8lym6HUZsh6iZH5t64tDt7Lm0qFEXIq7743n9Zk+0qki6 A3a/XY55977DPizfGLFoQ== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:J+o7udL95eg=;WoWFJC0PbPH9yCJ/tRGp+IyyyEu 0PZyeWhF4RmfCr0CJOUFpTudvFQOu51zIYk6XUoNSnHXbsc7/5y+M+3nk44Ofk6xa0Zy60tZU iODHINY94te3PqZenuKK07TmQ6fj7t7jg/WqMoFTjPLQpydBNQlDUjE4BVAgrDNSADBMuDP/e ReHo0oIdxYfz8SAlHEm6VHUCK79m+gukSwqz8HbPNoKr3bMrlLa40krhByUws9pCEKXuFGiKW HTS6CtQeYgDsVxesZd6NSURINDBSpVKYSDufrp+3Opytfv4MgTjGSjOq+KBKWczlDT8ZDtnLq AWm3nTZltK1wTDwKXDnLHWwcaxvMebTMaOoVUCp4r9nk9X7/MPY+TARXy7je62BkXp8+Yw4Gm KX+we6fNQjI9IE9eSMWoxh0eqpRRCcUi/00c0rixyak3IMPIgXKv9S6GWmvnofkPaxeXtNGCn d5O47YPOzowDS5lWhadHj8o+1BYUbf7KggPkGP4UH2dY0r1Ipbd8tbEF/8Oe04vQd0m4Z/YGX LJNTBQudqzT0sRHRcNnJe9IOjCMopybntjGRjrNZYzCKJYsJI7Hyl7L1ZJFcsds2ZUUWC05Py V5Mzl302g3JybkZvWjJYSPUBa7vqHc6dnAvjZgmPJYRBy0SazeanN39Q7mUOmB1RGBSK33yjj eOtzhkNIeuyKHVWuI3/uf9IJ60U+mzBab7zz8j/Fj2QpjSckXC8gaa0HId2XNx7vy4iKa/Jl8 DgWatKssUEugNO/6N38mZ2UYqoQCB3Njh/W4htKEGy/2GkXUy2WgUObGZrpwUmI6xqq+C05y Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.12; envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313762 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christopher Dimech writes: > From: "Eshel Yaron" >> I recently wrote a post on my blog that criticized a certain development >> in Emacs, and I think I owe some people here an apology, in particular, >> Eli and Thierry. I never expected that rant to spread so widely > Ranting exclusively to oneself, without any external input or perspective= is problematic. > Without external feedback or differing viewpoints, it's challenging to ga= in a realistic > perspective on the problem being ranted about. Ultimately leading to une= xamined positions > without the benefit of alternative viewpoints. Without external communic= ation you will get > frustrated and isolated. Sharing with others is healthy, providing potent= ial solutions if you > are correct in your analysis. So maybe the solution would rather be: if you=E2=80=99re frustrated, first = enjoy a good meal (that=E2=80=99s good for the mood =E2=98=BA), then say politely= inside the community what feels like a problem to you. My personal experience is that almost every time I grew sarcastic or ranted, I hit the wrong people =E2=80=A6 (and had to write an excuse, hoping that they would still be listening). 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