From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: jami-bot and org-jami-bot Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 11:25:33 +0100 Message-ID: <87bk9op5ya.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <875y0i7e43.fsf@hoowl.se> <87y1cyqoso.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32978"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:cnI0Y0xs2lyVKUOnx0v+tVyRF3k= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 14 11:43:38 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rOxxq-0008Pm-CH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2024 11:43:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOxx5-0007lK-27; Sun, 14 Jan 2024 05:42:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOxgd-0005Su-7f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2024 05:25:51 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOxgX-0001O7-Gz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2024 05:25:48 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rOxgS-0007nD-EL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2024 11:25:40 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 05:42:48 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314959 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas wrote: >> Maybe that's what's needed, then. The crucial thing is that >> this feature "Jami capture" not be limited to Org mode. >> But any reasonable way of doing it is ok -- that level is >> not what the issue is about. > > We can't start blocking Org specific features until they are > rewritten to work without Org too, because that puts an > undue burden on contributors. People are scratching their > own itches first and foremost. Note that we don't put up any > such roadblocks in other cases. 1) The Org people should re-write everything useful they have so that is available to us without Org; 2) after that, hey, why do we even need Org for? -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal