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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322045 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> "EZ" =3D=3D Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Uwe Brauer >> Cc: Philip Kaludercic , oub@mat.ucm.es, >> stefankangas@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:34:22 +0200 >>=20 >> > Indeed. We leave these obsolete aliases for several major releases to >> > give people enough time to pay attention to those obsolescence >> > warnings, and change their code before the obsolete >> > variables/functions are actually deleted. >>=20 >> Several comments,=20 >>=20 >> 1. I =C2=ABload=C2=BB via require and I therefore those message are some= what >> difficult to notice. > I understand, but you are encouraged to pay attention to these > warnings, if you don't want surprises. >> 2. When I compile I of course see the warnings, but do you suggest >> that I just byte compile all my files after installing a new >> Emacs version? > Yes, I'd definitely recommend that. I do it myself on my systems, > FWIW. Oh my god, that will also end up taking me days. BTW, code, that worked in emacs 28 now gave an error because toggle-read-only is no longer known to be defined and here no hint was given what to use So I boldly=20 replaced =2D (toggle-read-only nil)) by + (read-only-mode nil)) It worked >> 3. I still find the naming =C2=ABfind-file-not-found-functions=C2=BB >> and therefore the call >> (add-hook 'find-file-not-found-functions >> 'insert-auto-insert-files 'append) >> counterintuitive, (now it is too late, but why wasn't this called >> =C2=ABfind-file-not-found-hook-functions=C2=BB or something like this). > Longer names are harder to type and read. Yeah but maybe easier to find via apropos! >> 5. I still don't gasp the advantage of renaming functions and >> variables. I understand the benefit of introducing new functions and >> variables but the benefit of renaming variables and functions I >> fail to see. > It makes Emacs easier to learn and use. And it breaks backward compatibility. =2D-=20 I strongly condemn Hamas heinous despicable pogroms/atrocities on Israel I strongly condemn Putin's war of aggression against Ukraine. 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