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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324483 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Emanuel Berg writes: >> Therefore we ask people to avoid sarcasm in our discussions. >> See https://gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html. > > Yes, I know, and I agree. You could add a paragraph what you > should do when you feel hurt. That is a good point, though not a simple one. > "did this person intend to be a jerk to you?" That=E2=80=99s the common method of "putting yourself in their shoes". I just checked if nonviolent communication could be an option, but that doesn=E2=80=99t fit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication#Components And sadly there=E2=80=99s no Englisch version of the page about Streitkultu= r: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streitkultur#Streitkultur_lernen Best wishes, Arne =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein, ohne es zu merken. draketo.de --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJEBAEBCAAuFiEE801qEjXQSQPNItXAE++NRSQDw+sFAmcHlw8QHGFybmVfYmFi QHdlYi5kZQAKCRAT741FJAPD6zigEACq8MZWmVS8rlNDbahSuL9FOatoLh430ZPI xSxYWvh3T/i8owP7Za/PbOKAz/INPuxKDjt6Fv/fuoCpUtQxouyZtLUBgkLwP77/ MoGEE4Y5e/Ie5ManH9P8olFYl11bkKfAffYLpgFIXyQ5itytttAokYlf474EOED3 QLddMYLvCQEc3oyTGjOMzoEKYWypnxjhHSs5VY+HNnAwrBKnDg14HRCIoN3KEY1f kBNmaeJGxzQ3PiAqAn7GHh2Ll7tntMRbAm7P+wl9IFe7ldq6YwzOiZ7KYofECRJY 61XdQTcGAC0p7N+PLI0Pt4y9shi5ROSy/16Dn2HCL3CETuMF/Q04Osp2SthGGHFE u54lCoR3j8DLZfSRkWhO4CBkNZXEdEF8pvmIdHw1p6WCRYfmtLbMgIN7TNtufcg8 qqVK+H2FtsBWNJd5bOpNUKWsFsSR1OLk5CcHyMOzpBWkOpfSe1YeBVgVNukY29X1 fawVoetowZRpZM8fWH3QBoZQQfjJXmpRavSawLOsLtCYYLOvVUaYLGICqUWn6UQU lqoTWz5zlaahWurHOr3IEz7mgEs55KqaTMs5dqGbH/nYlK7vn2wy+A+9s60VLZMJ /IueJitP0ON0bRB9ukAF8oIdRww9qY/eXHsapQe33K2SxHEgAiBIQqP8jRqQt6ix dsLvS7GP54jEBAEBCAAuFiEE3Si95tmHXKvOSosd3M8NswvBBUgFAmcHlw8QHGFy bmVfYmFiQHdlYi5kZQAKCRDczw2zC8EFSEekBACagrWukI84HMebq6eNIZMFFWhd JBO7Ps74HVfcCEunLt+z/Qo8BtpGThIHcG72F5XL/cHxDcoE0yJ5sTQ7B+ZNGWsF Wjs5YadfdiYBd2eVsCHtCYgjcdaMx+USjOcFJ8Dppszw07gA2IgTWnR4UiF+Zpbn KQDMWnqTTjfMW86Bww== =2gua -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--