From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 07:59:38 +0800 Message-ID: <87bjy6izv9.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <86frnkpujt.fsf@gnu.org> <87frnki1b2.fsf@yahoo.com> <86plmnoim2.fsf@gnu.org> <87o727wups.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22442"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , ams@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 23 01:00:32 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tEdZg-0005je-DW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:00:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEdZ8-0005oy-2E; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:59:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEdZ6-0005oq-O6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:59:56 -0500 Original-Received: from sonic309-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.184.147]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEdZ4-0003xF-R6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:59:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1732319990; bh=ig+9KjaCXMwk6c/LQgcKEIiF7ov+tT6btTbXPwf1VkM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=dMoCCHV5/G1mjypJF2777pXJottksSg4s6cdFPTU89dne0cVKAkG0sMAnti/y2LNpQtKmfXnjG/plglxT4cC39kOv4tIfi6G6V6RhlLeNfTnLLfPDGNF4PpVgWcALFowxnpWdEG481lHwdmaZDE7BGENUSSNzXCzYfrHlBKRNJOcEVQWCCfPnbv8tteyH+ZnRyUjtc+jN0Rd7tDJOYZZ2XLaP3XHStwqrtC3UnRGkJGsrr2nl/9lYWaxuSEkU33/H756L8Q9rK9cPLdnbd0sWe0awgYvdGNC6wfKXeCG+g8dUpSB7CNASR+2Ci1VdV+bimF/EUf9cyFeATy0J++Dbg== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1732319990; bh=ck/Ga+/B6V5rSmvepTsMoYpLEwNmPVuokm5LYw23J1/=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=Rd4vJ0jAfmzGQGFZZH3lDW74WTQPvAeZIWsG7MaICjgsGmzAdHvcuqmDPrDqYYn0g7I5aByFhDb51K0Eho8tB5l+cDE8xiissg8vTv8KgMwcKnH+ECTNJhkndkRhlVMLWUfvhdFulkBsvJavEeDQ/CuddmwwFhtRH5Etnwv/3Q+rtAVLNTyJOUJACrPwa+TRaSGq4EbQaY3Si4nAIm6DmZsyu2MbdA5k2lyBvmHIsB9hDRUJE8U+cbsS6HzDLHyUSHSoUzZBOjwD7AQ/y98GA2TOFEMTl4ZfqIO/RoIA0RF0C5Fla/a5WNif4+lVnwIP7U1lca1wPx6fgvC8gka1gA== X-YMail-OSG: d3XKU.AVM1lYaMbagN8ltcmhdUaGzj1F.aqJl3GQOkfZ2lbrdleJ.bF5gbqgqin MYmGC1KGyVXThPgly.DfQcQMKneV.wD0kk1yMqN18ex0.mqcZV2QvbPT32e6fi5dAihvUka0TNgC 3XIYs8kdLLXfa5vZWws9L_WSXa0gfmuHzTvy7UjKahuUcq0dOnnv5HS34sRto.Be5bOYUZo1Z.PC 76tFVyT0ylpXooOmp7SVo3usPCRMb1b86SVl3_1_LiKApE67PI4N_mKaybPzLg7Z7THeU3thDH6I vkJC533Pm5EBrRbbgrQl2KPTxjxzkDmgsWCvn7fQ3fuYJbj9zx3FiRzcApVdk6wGxzzhn59whsiO PSW0Y0Z_L8BHAvDrDsFgcU25mGhyquRTtxB9L0eZpSnwZyn7F7WOOEXZM2GvOceHccFFA79Pk2c2 lVTva.hWGHMsC8FE0JPon8E0NiW7A68fhNvvt2fzRvUUOranXzVGrN0jB0JcAe09xUuNlEQfsyPG 1uqjjKUkCoJuKuxBVLwWIU.XoqNh_i3xm4plz3oQ4Ah5myczLmg2O0WyKWJrjReb5leyGlDsUtHR 41XVdxwk3a.inZjVVRx_uHrTehUeAs_BaVoZKreOpF4Ncsy3xwpvnIGG.466PsasWBVXNNWkdSbn T8J2fz0TMWq23DO3PZvT078MrXr1nyr9vZ2_NWVEa87A3WZSH9S.pxeknuBZoTbk1lTzYWODINzn AgBjO3dXJjUJCq7ZGRJvOkVVVb1fWxjm90LNepSFo1dz.JL64lFRfmZ1n5lU78ZWgbRVnIn3TMww VXTwVzWmgWyO32D.RNjfTa_Fo_svjxKmJYQ9fJB.5T X-Sonic-MF: X-Sonic-ID: c406b5f0-f4ab-45df-a22a-18f837954fd0 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 23:59:50 +0000 Original-Received: by hermes--production-sg3-5b7954b588-8q7pl (Yahoo Inc. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325601 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: > I suspect that Po Lu (and Alan) were talking more about the increase > in the use of cl and pcase (which I still haven=CA=BCt got my head around, > and now we already have cond* as well). > > Robert Not this time. My anecdote for this round of controversy is the obsoletion of if-let at the whim of a select group of people in the bug tracker, exactly when most users have just integrated it into their muscle memory. What is this doc string meant to imply, for example? This macro will be marked obsolete in Emacs 31.1; prefer `if-let*' in new code. Why is there now a manner of "pre-obsoleting" functions?