From: Pip Cet via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>,
eller.helmut@gmail.com, spd@toadstyle.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: igc, macOS avoiding signals
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 15:05:51 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bjwtyzxn.fsf@protonmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86r05pnrv4.fsf@gnu.org>
"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, spd@toadstyle.org,
>> pipcet@protonmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 12:53:33 +0100
>>
>> Executive summary: If a signal interrupts the Emacs thread, and we are
>> "inside MPS", meaning the Emacs threads owns an arena's mutex, the macOS
>> port thread can try to acquire the same mutex and won't get because the
>> Emacs thread that owns it is stopped by the signal.
>
> Are you sure the "because the Emacs thread that owns it is stopped by
> the signal" part is correct? AFAIU, since the macOS port thread is a
> different thread, it tries to take the arena lock, and is simply stuck
> there, waiting for the main thread to release the lock. IOW, this is
> a simple mutex-based synchronization between two threads, that's all:
> one thread takes the lock, the other must wait until the first one
> releases it before it itself can take the lock.
My understanding is that the main thread cannot continue running while
it's waiting for a memory barrier to be removed. What would it use for
the memory values it cannot access?
> Moreover, the main thread is not stopped, it runs the signal handler.
It is stopped, in the signal handler, waiting for the memory barrier to
be removed.
Pip
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2024-12-28 13:24 igc, macOS avoiding signals Sean Devlin
2024-12-28 13:28 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 14:45 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 7:13 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 7:23 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 7:39 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-30 7:51 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 8:02 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-30 8:47 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 9:29 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-30 9:47 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-30 11:54 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 10:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 10:27 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-30 11:53 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 15:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 15:05 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2024-12-30 12:32 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 14:59 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-30 15:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 15:24 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-30 15:25 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 15:34 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 19:02 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-30 20:03 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 15:30 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 16:57 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-30 17:41 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 17:49 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 18:33 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-30 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 18:37 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 19:55 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 7:34 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-31 9:19 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 9:51 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-31 10:00 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 13:49 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 9:51 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 13:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 14:15 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 15:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 15:20 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 15:12 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-31 15:31 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 15:37 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-31 15:39 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 10:09 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 13:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 14:29 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 15:08 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 15:07 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 13:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 14:19 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 14:40 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-31 14:55 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 15:13 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-31 15:16 ` Helmut Eller
2025-01-02 8:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 9:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 10:00 ` Helmut Eller
2025-01-02 12:34 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2025-01-02 13:08 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 17:56 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 12:42 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 13:40 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 13:53 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 14:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 14:32 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 14:52 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 11:18 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 12:23 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 11:11 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 12:13 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 10:53 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 10:46 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 12:00 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 12:07 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 15:12 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 18:40 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 19:20 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 20:54 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29 5:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 19:15 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 19:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 16:29 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29 2:21 ` Sean Devlin
2024-12-29 12:22 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29 15:01 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-29 19:44 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 6:16 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 12:51 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 13:09 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 13:28 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 5:24 ` Sean Devlin
2024-12-30 6:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-30 5:23 ` Sean Devlin
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2024-12-28 6:40 Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 12:49 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 12:55 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 13:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-29 8:02 ` Helmut Eller
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