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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::42c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247855 Archived-At: On 26.04.2020 20:44, Drew Adams wrote: >> And if every such poll will requires a special setup (configuration by >> the admins, etcetera), it will limit our ability to do them. > > I don't see how all of those downsides couldn't be > mitigated, providing a GNU site or other means to > serve as single collection point, echoing point > (echoing current counts, text suggestions, etc.), > and even providing a discussion venue. I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying it hasn't been done, and in all likelihood nobody is going to do it. > IOW, don't try to reproduce the polling here, there > and everywhere. Just announce it here, there, and > everywhere. Anyone who wants to discuss a poll > here, there, and everywhere is welcome to do so, > but that discussion will not automatically be > captured as part of the poll itself. I say just do it on Reddit. Any traffic on the mailing list (which I see no reason to discourage) will pale in comparison.