From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs unconditionally loads tramp.el Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:37:18 +0200 Message-ID: <87aca4hxm9.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87r73n5o5x.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> <87hd4ewcj0.fsf@gmx.de> <87odyltqof.fsf@gmx.de> <87k698l5ww.fsf@gmx.de> <87slnwjktb.fsf@gmx.de> <874q0cjiz5.fsf@gmx.de> <87u08c9khw.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1146346729 25786 80.91.229.2 (29 Apr 2006 21:38:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Michael Price , Eli Zaretskii , romain@orebokech.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 29 23:38:45 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZx9B-0002eF-8c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:38:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZx99-0002q2-OY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:38:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FZx8p-0002lz-Dn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:38:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FZx8l-0002k5-GA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:38:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZx8k-0002k0-TC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:38:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZxCA-0007wK-Qb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:41:43 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Apr 2006 21:37:15 -0000 Original-Received: from p54BD8E4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO localhost.local) [84.189.142.79] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 29 Apr 2006 23:37:15 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3708877 Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: <87u08c9khw.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Sun, 30 Apr 2006 05:47:55 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110005 (No Gnus v0.5) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:53617 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > In my experience tramp is _much_ slower than even ange-ftp (in all ways, > but especially establishing connections). I think this severely limits > its utility for general use, and potential audience. That's my fear as well. Tramp 2.1 has remarkable speedup due to caching, but it is still too unstable for Emacs 22. > Because of this I think the hostname (etc) completion are something that > probably don't really matter very much to most users (and I suppose may > even confuse those not expecting them -- I don't known the full list of > syntaxes which trigger them), and thus that it would be fine to enable > them only if tramp has been loaded (or enabled or whatever). Host name completion is performed locally. So it shouldn't suffer from Tramp's connection slowness (*). > -Miles Best regards, Michael. (*): I remember the case where eager administrators generated regularly /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts with _all_ hosts found in the company's Intranet, a Fortune 500 company. Hostname completion on such a host was a pain, until we disabled check of ssh_known_hosts.