From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nic James Ferrier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A wish, a plea Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:26:25 +0100 Message-ID: <87abutroce.fsf@kanga.tapsellferrier.co.uk> References: <4679F561.4030600@hacksaw.org> <87d4zomyiw.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182461281 3886 80.91.229.12 (21 Jun 2007 21:28:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Fogel , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Hacksaw To: Sascha Wilde Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 21 23:27:59 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I1UC6-0005Ku-68 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:27:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1UC5-0005UC-JW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:27:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1UC1-0005T2-Q8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:27:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1UC0-0005P2-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:27:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1UC0-0005Om-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:27:52 -0400 Original-Received: from owls-tree.tapsellferrier.co.uk ([81.187.188.218] helo=owls-house.tapsellferrier.co.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I1UBz-0007CF-MS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:27:51 -0400 Original-Received: from nicferrier.tapsellferrier.co.uk ([172.31.50.1] helo=localhost) by owls-house.tapsellferrier.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.60 #1 (Debian)) id 1I1U6k-0007jd-5M; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:22:26 +0100 Original-Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D2A83C06F1; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:26:25 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: (Sascha Wilde's message of "Thu\, 21 Jun 2007 23\:19\:28 +0200") X-detected-kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73558 Archived-At: Sascha Wilde writes: > I'm actually using *scratch* quite often, as a scratch pad for stuff I > don't want to save (and don't want to be asked, if I want to save them > on exit), as well as for ad-hoc elisp stuff. > > I like the feature of having *scratch* at hand from the beginning in > every emacs session, and I would miss it... Yes. I like it and use it too. But we don't need it to be the default buffer when you start an unconfigured Emacs. > Yeah, there is much truth in that, and I often fail to read stuff my > self -- but if something goes wrong I don't blame others for my fault. > Especially if the text in question is so short, clear and easy to > notice as this comments in the *scratch* buffer. It's the fact that it's the default buffer for an unconfigured emacs that is the problem. If we can help people out by changing the default then we should. > Please leave *scratch* alone. *scratch* doesn't need to be changed. Emacs needs to change so that *scratch* is not the default buffer for an unconfigured Emacs. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk