From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Florian Beck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; emacs-report-bug fails silently Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:13:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87abi4r3ci.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> References: <87fxs0hrrv.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <4840084C.2020405@gmail.com> <87d4n3ii41.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <48407716.5080704@gmail.com> <874p8fi9op.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87od6lc1bd.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212372837 18836 80.91.229.12 (2 Jun 2008 02:13:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 02:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Florian Beck To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 02 04:14:38 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K2zZF-0004Km-Qw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:14:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51202 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K2zYT-0006b2-G2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:13:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K2zYM-0006WC-Vw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:13:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K2zYL-0006TA-Mq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:13:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53636 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K2zYL-0006So-JO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:13:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:48965) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2zYL-0003SY-Bw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:13:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:59882) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K2zWZ-00019D-D7 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:11:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2zYH-0003Rw-H0 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:13:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mo-p07-ob.rzone.de ([81.169.146.188]:12318) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2zYH-0003Ro-5V for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:13:37 -0400 X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: z4gYkBuibEUuEEkKOBbVdyM3V9o2JnU= Original-Received: from aeschylus (p54996E98.dip.t-dialin.net [84.153.110.152]) by post.webmailer.de (klopstock mo19) (RZmta 16.38) with ESMTP id C01954k51LU4OQ ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 04:13:33 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from: ) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:38:44 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98204 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:22525 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>>> Look, if you think my setup is bizzare, please ignore my report. But >>>> I don't think it is. >>> Me neither, see the sub-thread[1] about this in April on emacs-devel. >> Well, /usr/sbin/sendmail indeed *does* exist on my system, although the >> sendmail package is not installed. Confusing, isn't it? > > Not necessarily: many packages (i.e. most MTAs) provide > /usr/sbin/sendmail. Could you try and figure out what that > `/usr/sbin/sendmail' is? It is from the postfix package, but obviously not configured: fb@aeschylus:~$ sendmail sendmail: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory fb@aeschylus:~$ echo $? 75 > >> Anyway, because the sendmail binary does exist, >> message-send-mail-function returns message-send-mail-with-sendmail. >> So that would not help. > > We definitely have a problem in this respect. Traditionally on Unix, > sending mail is done via the /usr/sbin/sendmail program, but nowadays > it's very common to have such programs completely misconfigured. > It's fundamentally a bug in the distributions, I believe, but it's not > one that we can expect to see fixed any time soon, so we're going to > have to deal with it. > > Stefan As a test, I installed sendmail from the ubuntu repository. It kind of works, but only delivers mail locally. Of course, now sendmail returns 0. So a misconfigured sendmail may be difficult to detect. -- Florian Beck