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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-*
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:45:46 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87abgpshlx.fsf@jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86lk093nz1.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:47:30 -0500")

> JL> You could include lowercase versions since they are sometimes used to
> JL> numerate subsections.  But please be careful to not create conflicts
> JL> with the existing rules in cyrillic-translit like ("/i" ?і) and ("/I" ?І)
> JL> where І is CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I.
>
> How about
>
>  ;; Roman numerals, commonly used for months and section/subsection numbers
>  ("/RI" ?Ⅰ)
>  ("/RII" ?Ⅱ)
>  ("/RIII" ?Ⅲ)
>  ("/RIV" ?Ⅳ)
>  ("/RV" ?Ⅴ)
>  ("/RVI" ?Ⅵ)
>  ("/RVII" ?Ⅶ)
>  ("/RVIII" ?Ⅷ)
>  ("/RIX" ?Ⅸ)
>  ("/RX" ?Ⅹ)
>  ("/RXI" ?Ⅺ)
>  ("/RXII" ?Ⅻ)
>
>  ("/ri" ?ⅰ)
>  ("/rii" ?ⅱ)
>  ("/riii" ?ⅲ)
>  ("/riv" ?ⅳ)
>  ("/rv" ?ⅴ)
>  ("/rvi" ?ⅵ)
>  ("/rvii" ?ⅶ)
>  ("/rviii" ?ⅷ)
>  ("/rix" ?ⅸ)
>  ("/rx" ?ⅹ)
>  ("/rxi" ?ⅺ)
>  ("/rxii" ?ⅻ)

This looks better.

> JL> One possible letter for ь is x.  I guess it is from jcuken-only
> JL> keyboards, but since it is already taken for x in cyrillic-translit,
> JL> maybe we should replace the rule ("x" ?х) with ("x" ?ь)?
>>> 
>>> OK, ditto for X -> Ь.  We'll be lynched, surely.
>
> JL> This is why I suggest you to move out most new rules to a separate
> JL> input method, or at least reduce the likelihood of possible annoyance.
>
> Users still need to use the method at some point.  Delaying the
> annoyance until then doesn't make it any less of a problem--we're still
> interfering with x/X in the secondary method.  I'll make the change in
> the core method for now, and let's see if it's a problem.

Ok.  And what about combining characters?  Is it possible to insert them
using input-method rules?

> JL> I like your current set of rules, they are easy to remember and input.
> JL> But I have doubts about << and >> since they are inconsistent with
> JL> other sequences with the leading slash.
> ...
> JL> I'm not convinced of the need of creating an exception for these two
> JL> characters.  Such exceptions do more harm than good, e.g. the user has
> JL> to remember which quotes require the prefix slash and which don't.
>
> OK, I've made it /<< and />> for those two.

Thanks.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/




  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-10 18:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-13 14:27 composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-* Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-13 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-13 15:56 ` Jason Rumney
2008-06-13 18:09   ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-14  9:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-14 18:55       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-06-14 19:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-06-18 20:17           ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-06-19 11:45             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-02 20:25               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-03  2:29                 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-03 19:53                   ` adding consistent extra symbols to input methods (cyrillic-*, croatian-*, slov*, czech-* etc.) input methods Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-05 12:54                     ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-06 18:40                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-06 22:54                         ` Miles Bader
2008-07-10  0:09                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10  0:37                             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-10  0:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10  1:44                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-10  1:15                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-10  0:27                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10  1:16                             ` Miles Bader
2008-07-10 18:43                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-11  2:52                                 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-07  1:57                         ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-07  4:39                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-07  5:25                             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-07 19:42                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-07 22:05                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-13  5:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-13  5:17                                   ` Miles Bader
2008-07-13 21:27                                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-14  3:18                                       ` Miles Bader
2008-07-14  4:43                                         ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-14 21:51                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-15  1:24                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-28 13:30                                               ` multiple input methods (was: adding consistent extra symbols to input methods) Juri Linkov
2008-07-06 18:41     ` composed characters question and suggestions for quail-cyrillic-* Juri Linkov
2008-07-07 20:12       ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-07 21:42         ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-08  0:48           ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-08 10:46           ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-07-08 21:47             ` David Kastrup
2008-07-08 15:37           ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-08 17:38             ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 22:54             ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 16:02               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 18:02                 ` James Cloos
2008-07-09 18:49                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 19:51                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 18:48                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 19:33                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-09 22:14                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-09 23:52                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 12:47                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 18:45                           ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2008-07-10 19:10                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 19:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-10 20:40                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-10 22:01                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-12 20:51                                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-14 14:01                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-14 21:47                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-15 15:06                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-15 20:32                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-08-01 21:07                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-05 21:00                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-05 22:05                                               ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-10 22:09                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-10 22:54                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-11  1:26                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-11  2:08                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2008-07-09 19:21                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-08 15:49           ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 18:50             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-07-08 19:50               ` James Cloos
2008-07-08 20:26                 ` composed characters question and suggestions for?quail-cyrillic-* Teemu Likonen

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