From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:23:19 +0200 Message-ID: <87ab4x79p4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com> <7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com> <23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi> <23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi> <39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <18970.25868.549514.194223@a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de> <85octdzf53.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243509825 24105 80.91.229.12 (28 May 2009 11:23:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 28 13:23:41 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M9dhy-0000ar-F3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:23:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32876 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9dhx-0007pa-4C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:23:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9dhs-0007pV-9o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:23:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9dhm-0007p5-Gv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:23:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53545 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9dhm-0007p2-CW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:23:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]:55290) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M9dhi-0002zA-QH; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:23:23 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l27so1162871fgb.7 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:23:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=3dCv8/4SB+3hCL1GpXXq+W6D5bv+oC6f0EAw6qzwKbo=; b=uDwIWazzZ4TtB8ekEdb2sgipE855pSq+y1WYnaJAwfXY3qfQQ7OEoeqpCIaFPWw//l lCfKTCWtWS7o8zey9uWn5CFrTTiNRyzkh3cQt0p7Rwl2YgWKiiuS6u4Hcg4ZbkYgdBfl Pogztda+8UTrGHem/npQy2iPDRUkUsc+cQWhY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; b=ZF9M3YO+6yvy97csPLyKlGTbJovv/vzeu+idsOam5wluL03Kq7gssUZUkpxG0FEYXq CEmdk6YCRh4fKJy+TZWgpF6yTqjlvJGxCGRODanWShjyqLKiwHLGLs2EF0dsA8+1pL8a 9NLbjw9m6WBhZ2UrnxrEfAWDnErZIzOeG8U0U= Original-Received: by 10.86.4.7 with SMTP id 7mr1394376fgd.46.1243509801719; Thu, 28 May 2009 04:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bzg (n1sgir42.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.83.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm360591fge.19.2009.05.28.04.23.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 May 2009 04:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by bzg (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1F969162761; Thu, 28 May 2009 13:23:20 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <85octdzf53.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Thu, 28 May 2009 12:38:16 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111143 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Richard M Stallman writes: > >> This is the sort of issue for which it is a good idea to poll the >> users -- not just this mailing list. > > Putting it in a pretest is polling the users. Pulling is more about getting a clear yes/no answer on a specific question. Putting a feature in a pretest is more a way of opening the discussion about a feature, rather than closing it efficiently. -- Bastien