From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Integrating package.el Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:50:41 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87aawsh7ou.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <878wclke6j.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k4w5lbyb.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87zl50jv52.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d41rn3wt.fsf_-_@hagelb.org> <87k4vxiwlj.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262706722 9794 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2010 15:52:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:52:02 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 05 16:51:55 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from terminus-est.gnu.org ([66.92.78.210] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NSBhK-0001La-4T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:51:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55864 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NSBhK-0003OH-1p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:51:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NSBgm-00034K-43 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:51:20 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NSBgh-00030i-Lz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:51:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41212 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NSBgh-00030N-CH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:51:15 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:45819) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NSBgf-00064J-LI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:51:14 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1NSBgW-0000vS-37 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:51:04 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:51:04 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:51:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:jH1Uj0Im7J9gnFwo0KBWo0g21po= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-Spam-Report: 5.9 points; * 0.0 RCVD_BY_IP Received by mail server with no name * 0.8 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) * [SPF failed: Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=emacs-devel-bounces%2Bged-emacs-devel%3Dm.gmane.org%40gnu.org&ip=66.92.78.210&receiver=lo] * 1.0 SPF_HELO_SOFTFAIL SPF: HELO does not match SPF record (softfail) * [SPF failed: Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=gnu.org&ip=66.92.78.210&receiver=lo] * 4.0 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119444 Archived-At: On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:51:06 -0700 Tom Tromey wrote: Tom> It also needs to be changed to be able to manage multiple install Tom> locations, if it is to be used to manage site-lisp. Good point, but do you mean multiple search locations for existing installs? I would expect a single install location, otherwise it gets complicated... Ted> I don't know about the other packages that come with Emacs, but Gnus Ted> could probably benefit from package.el-style installation (I don't speak Ted> for the Gnus project, though, so I can bring it up on the mailing list Ted> if necessary). A better setup process for Gnus would be really nice, Ted> though. The usual pre-install and post-install scripts you find in RPM Ted> or DEB would help. I suspect many other packages would benefit from a Ted> better setup process through package.el. Tom> If you want to try packaging it, I can explain what you need to do. Tom> It is usually quite easy. I think the pre-install and post-install steps are pretty important. Without them, packaging Gnus doesn't do much. I want the post-install to actually set up the user's Gnus configuration. This has been a very common complaint about Gnus. Installing it is the easy part, since it comes with Emacs. Can package.el support that? I can't tell if this is the "activate" or the "load" stage (are they states or state transitions? English can be so ambiguous...) or something new; also it seems like this is something external to Gnus, a function of the ELPA wrapper (although it may be bundled within Gnus) rather than something Gnus will always run for new users. This is the major question I have before I propose this packaging on the Gnus mailing list. I also want to know if you and Phil want to make Gnus your first Emacs-hosted package, or if there's going to be a ELPA clone of Gnus. I'd actually like both: the Emacs-hosted version is "Emacs-supported Gnus" while the ELPA versions are "bleeding-edge Gnus from CVS" and "latest Gnus release." The last one is usually but not always synchronized with the Emacs release; I'll need to ask the other Gnus developers what they think. At least two Gnus versions in package.el make sense in any case. Ted