From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:45:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87aavq43in.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87pr4m2ptm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:
> I disagree that it's non-judgmental. Preserving ecosystems is a
> positive value.
No, it isn't. Underdeveloped countries have a stable ecosystem of
enough people dying early due to scarcity of resources that population
is maintained. Or at least they had until their land became "owned" and
the flow of money meant that it was more effective to starve them
completely and use the land for producing lifestock fodder for the
countries delivering the guns to the "land owners".
Preserving the preexisting ecosystem would not have been a positive
value. A positive value would have been giving (rather than taking)
them the means to improve their manner of living.
There are complex and stable ecosystems with parasites passing through a
multiple number of hosts in their development.
Preserving those is not a positive value.
Proprietary software has its own ecosystems. Preserving those is not
the aim of the FSF and others.
And free software also has its ecosystems. Not all of that which
happens in those systems is desirable.
But that does not mean that the term is inappropriate to describe
phenomena which are not planned, but make for dynamics beyond the
individual control of the software creators.
--
David Kastrup
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-03 17:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-01-29 19:48 redisplay system of emacs grischka
2010-01-30 5:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 9:53 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 11:01 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 11:08 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 11:54 ` Paul R
2010-01-30 13:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 11:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 12:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-01-30 9:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 11:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 12:11 ` Paul R
2010-01-30 13:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-01-30 13:42 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 13:49 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-01-30 13:54 ` Paul R
2010-01-30 15:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 15:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-31 12:41 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-31 16:36 ` grischka
2010-02-01 21:06 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02 3:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-02 21:21 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-02 21:42 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 0:24 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-03 6:45 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 13:34 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 14:15 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-03 14:18 ` Daniel Colascione
2010-02-04 11:01 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 2:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-03 12:19 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-04 11:00 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 11:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-05 12:44 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05 18:37 ` grischka
2010-02-03 13:34 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-03 17:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-03 17:45 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2010-02-03 18:35 ` grischka
2010-02-03 18:36 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-02-03 19:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-03 20:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-03 20:37 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-02-04 8:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-04 23:18 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-05 5:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-04 11:01 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 11:38 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-05 19:08 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-04 12:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-01-28 0:19 alin.s
2010-01-28 4:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 9:07 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 11:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 11:47 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 12:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 12:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 14:10 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-28 15:04 ` alin.s
2010-01-28 22:34 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 10:04 ` Paul R
2010-01-29 10:17 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 10:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 10:30 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 13:18 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 11:03 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-29 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 15:10 ` Miles Bader
2010-01-29 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 10:48 ` Paul R
2010-01-29 11:01 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 18:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 11:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 13:06 ` Paul R
2010-01-29 13:10 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 13:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 15:28 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-29 18:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 18:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 11:46 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 12:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 19:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 21:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31 9:32 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-31 12:41 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-29 19:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 18:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-30 18:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 10:34 ` Fabian Ezequiel Gallina
2010-01-30 10:52 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 13:07 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-28 5:10 ` Ken Hori
2010-01-28 12:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-28 13:41 ` alin.s
2010-01-28 14:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-12 8:31 ` alin.s
2010-02-12 12:10 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-12 13:41 ` alin.s
2010-02-12 12:49 ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 13:30 ` alin.s
2010-02-12 14:25 ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 14:37 ` alin.s
2010-02-12 14:53 ` alin.s
2010-02-12 15:11 ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 15:31 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-12 15:55 ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 16:53 ` alin.s
2010-02-12 18:55 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-14 19:13 ` alin.s
2010-02-17 13:14 ` Chong Yidong
2010-02-23 0:45 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-02-23 3:01 ` David Reitter
2010-02-23 3:34 ` Tom Tromey
2010-02-23 14:31 ` Richard Stallman
2010-02-14 19:25 ` alin.s
2010-02-16 16:40 ` Davis Herring
2010-02-16 19:20 ` grischka
2010-02-16 19:55 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-02-17 13:56 ` alin.s
2010-02-16 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-16 20:56 ` grischka
2010-02-17 4:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
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