From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nix Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tabs are ready? -> Let us give a definition of tabs. Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:49:21 +0000 Message-ID: <87aa4myhb2.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> References: <4F2E8185.4080706@gmx.at> <4F2EC768.4050603@gmx.at> <4F2FAD31.9040702@gmx.at> <877h00yq7z.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <871uq7zw5c.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k43t1mm7.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87vcnbe07s.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1329140984 12689 80.91.229.3 (13 Feb 2012 13:49:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Dev , Juri Linkov , martin rudalics , PJ Weisberg , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Alin Soare To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 13 14:49:42 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RwwHl-0001ma-FB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:49:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45046 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RwwHk-0007Jb-Kr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:49:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42475) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RwwHe-0007JP-NV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:49:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RwwHX-0002F5-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:49:34 -0500 Original-Received: from icebox.esperi.org.uk ([81.187.191.129]:52290 helo=mail.esperi.org.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RwwHX-0002Em-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:49:27 -0500 Original-Received: from esperi.org.uk (nix@spindle.srvr.nix [192.168.14.15]) by mail.esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1DDnLZr012493; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:49:21 GMT Original-Received: (from nix@localhost) by esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q1DDnLEh007524; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:49:21 GMT Emacs: it's all fun and games, until somebody tries to edit a file. In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:24:33 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-URT-Metrics: spindle 1060; Body=7 Fuz1=7 Fuz2=7 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 81.187.191.129 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148547 Archived-At: On 13 Feb 2012, Stefan Monnier stated: > Indeed, the problem is not one of precedence. It's one of implementing > it efficiently and still make it work right (after defining what "right" > means) in the presence of let-bindings. Compound this with the fact > that such combinations are virtually never used (and hence never > tested/debugged) and you'll see that it's both a painful problem to > solve and one that comes with no reward. The 'never tested' problem is surely best fixed -- once we figure out what the semantics of such an interaction should be -- with a test in the Emacs testsuite. This sort of subtle rarely-noticed-when-it-breaks lisp-layer thing is what the automated testsuite was *made* for. (but I am teaching my elderly relatives to aspirate calcinated avian embryos again. I should give this up.) -- NULL && (void)