From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs completion matches selection UI Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:09:09 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87a9fylusq.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> References: <87fvqtg02v.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87y54ke8v3.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87li0kdrsz.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <878uwi8t3r.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <83ob5ee7ow.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2ltl2if.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <8338moevm3.fsf@gnu.org> <8761rkaa5e.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87txf0390n.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87y53komex.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87haa8moh6.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <874n67n450.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87eh5bkxca.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87d2kuzzqj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387336095 20607 80.91.229.3 (18 Dec 2013 03:08:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 03:08:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 18 04:08:20 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vt7Ug-0000KJ-HV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:08:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36716 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vt7Uf-0001Vk-T3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:08:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46143) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vt7UZ-0001VP-1l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:08:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vt7US-0006Jn-EW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:08:10 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:60146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vt7US-0006Jh-7o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:08:04 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vt7UQ-0008VI-QE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:08:02 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:08:02 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:08:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 33 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tgPsj1NK7Zt1OLOdFeBRH+QTunA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166565 Archived-At: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:58:44 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: SJT> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:29:30 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: SM> I'm not sure why you see it as something the user wouldn't like. >> >> Because it's not familiar. SJT> "Familiar" has never been a reason in itself for doing things in SJT> Emacs Sure it has. We (the Emacs developers and users) simply do what's familiar to us. We're all used to "our" way of doing things and are often puzzled when new users reject our "obvious intuitive" solutions. SJT> and obviously "unfamiliar" is a superset of "innovative", so make SJT> sure you fish the baby out of the bathwater first. I think the "baby" is decades of HCI research we seem to ignore. >> Do you need examples of how popular and standard this behavior is >> today? SJT> Ted, it's not about "popular" (especially not "popular with developers SJT> who create applications that make Emacs developers feel sick") and SJT> "standard". Hey, I think you need an example! libreadline (and most shells that use it). Attacking the Notepad/W32/crapGUI straw man won't help this discussion. Ted