From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:49:56 +0900 Message-ID: <87a94zoo57.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87zjd9swfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87oatnqpml.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874mvdrj45.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141009044917.GA19957@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhopisfr.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppe1pldu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761ft5wpo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83k349b0vj.fsf@gnu.org> <83bnph96kh.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppdwo7ll.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <543BE7CB.9040801@cs.ucla.edu> <87egubopls.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bnpfyjaf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413222642 12225 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2014 17:50:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 13 19:50:35 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XdjlS-000088-9I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:50:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34628 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdjlR-0000ru-TB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:50:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35370) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdjlE-0000rc-GE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:50:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdjl6-00065x-UA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:50:20 -0400 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:58518) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdjky-0005lB-SU; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:50:05 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0188C1C39BA; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:49:57 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E72FD1A2888; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:49:56 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87bnpfyjaf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175334 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Binary is quite unpractical when you are working in a locale The Emacs source tree evidently doesn't *have* a locale in the relevant sense since it has multiple encodings. > and the vast majority of output fits it. Then you want to have > things displayed according to locale and have that stuff which > doesn't fit formatted as some sort of recognizable escape sequence. For Paul's example, I suppose binary would work just fine, since he's searching for ASCII and Emacs sources are probably over 95% ASCII. And in *my* locale, the whole locale concept sucks becaues no matter what locale I choose somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3 of the text (all perfectly intelligible Japanese) will be unreadable according to that locale. The real world is stranger and more dangerous than you imagine.