From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jemarch@gnu.org (Jose E. Marchesi) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:17:06 +0100 Message-ID: <87a92lvs4d.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wq5q9hul.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418854340 2427 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2014 22:12:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs To: Jay Belanger Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 17 23:12:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1MpL-0000CK-3M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:12:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51727 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1MpK-00058k-8O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:12:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52081) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Mp2-00058N-AG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:12:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Mox-0002td-B7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:11:56 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Mox-0002tS-7f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:11:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.2.204.57] (port=58174 helo=termi.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Mow-0006md-Kq; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:11:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87wq5q9hul.fsf@gmail.com> (Jay Belanger's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:49:54 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180256 Archived-At: > I have watched several of the recent threads regarding changing the > documentation tool chain for no reason whatsoever from the sideline. > And I really can't understand what's going on. There have been a couple reasons listed. First, to increase the web presence. To be honest, I don't know what this has to do with texinfo at all. (Maybe I missed something.) Second, because texinfo version 5 is slow. This second problem seems to be the only real issue, and it seems that we should try to fix it. Richard put some pressure on the bzr developers when we were using that; perhaps he should put some pressure on the texinfo developers. (I think that Stefan and Eli have already brought it up to the texinfo developers.) I peeked at the texinfo svn repo and it looks like the texinfo developers are actively working on a C parser that would replace the current perl-based parser... From http://svn.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/trunk/parsetexi/README?revision=5957&root=texinfo&view=markup: "This is an experimental program intended to replicate the functionality in tp/Texinfo/Parser.pm. How it will be integrated into makeinfo is still unknown. makeinfo in this directory wraps texi2any-C.pl, which is tp/texi2any.pl changed to use the module in the Parsetexi subdirectory instead of Texinfo::Parser."