From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:33:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87a92gdo64.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <87k31ki3tc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419240835 29240 80.91.229.3 (22 Dec 2014 09:33:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Lennart Borgman , Tom , Emacs-Devel devel To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 22 10:33:48 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2zN4-0005on-Qa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:33:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39806 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2zN4-0002G1-9G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 04:33:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50538) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2zMj-0002Ct-CE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 04:33:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2zMi-0002aQ-G9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 04:33:25 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47639) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2zMi-0002aM-DW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 04:33:24 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54814 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2zMh-0005mx-CQ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 04:33:23 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E714E0515; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:33:23 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87k31ki3tc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:41:51 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180475 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > I'll grant you that my experience with Windows and Mac help is "db;gf" > ("don't bother; Google first"), I've set up a dual boot computer for my father recently, and the amount of stuff like "use some arcane modifier key combination in order to get some system menu in an obscure place populated with more, absolutely essential configuration options" was a total surprise to me. The preinstalled help available is completely and utterly useless for that. Then you Google for the necessary steps, and the respective information is found in some step-by-step blogs from a power user. Nothing from Microsoft itself. And those users call UNIX arcane. I suspect that this kind of "let's do some secret stuff and tell nobody about it until he begs for it in person" attitude has colored off somewhat on projects like GNOME3. I=A0mean, if the market leader gets away with it, they must be doing something right? --=20 David Kastrup