From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 00:33:10 +0900 Message-ID: <87a8vrg3m1.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434987220 21392 80.91.229.3 (22 Jun 2015 15:33:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 15:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 22 17:33:33 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z73j2-0002GV-Ma for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 17:33:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40762 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z73j2-0002ni-5v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:33:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z73in-0002nd-Qd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:33:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z73ik-0004Ak-L2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:33:17 -0400 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:51201) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z73ik-0004A6-BS; Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:33:14 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 397721C3510; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 00:33:11 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1F63A1A2CA2; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 00:33:11 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 83e5c3cd6be6 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187385 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > On this subject, you can spell it "comment and objections", but in my > > experience what you get is "prejudice and hysteria". > > What we get from you is ad-hominem attacks, over and over. > > > Nobody ever > > changes their mind based on so-called "rational argument"; > > I changed my mind in this discussion, but venom for those you disagree > with never changes. Actually, you are the one engaging in ad hominem attacks here, by making statements about me personally while failing to address the valid points I make at all. On the other hand, neither of my passages you quote are ad hominem at all, since they refer to my past experiences at which none of the active participants in this thread were present. And the claim about venom is manifestly false: there is no venom in this post. When did you change your mind in this discussion, and about what? I missed it: it seems to me you advocate the same conservative position in the same words as when you first entered the discussion. Regards,