From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.orgmode,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sync up the org in emacs master to org maint branch? Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:30:39 +0100 Message-ID: <87a8a4ees0.fsf@engster.org> References: <87k29d7zvw.fsf@engster.org> <87fuk08i01.fsf@engster.org> <87d1f36xnc.fsf@engster.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1486053150 30501 195.159.176.226 (2 Feb 2017 16:32:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 16:32:30 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: Bastien Guerry , Emacs developers , emacs-org list , Phillip Lord To: Kaushal Modi Original-X-From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 02 17:32:22 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cZKJ3-0007fG-Vq for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:32:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57687 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZKJ9-0006XN-HL for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:32:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36442) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZKHo-0006OB-7s for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:31:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZKHi-0008QR-Gy for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:31:04 -0500 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([5.45.97.173]:60370) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZKHb-0008HX-SN; Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:30:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=ZQ4IQVi/fqMUTtQ2INVodT5KKPLHrxSA6bP4l+NhoGU=; b=gs3FVewsAiZhV0RvEn0fCuGKOBWT+ugg80FO7Yvea0ShadBGgIsfE8ABNVaaEZC22mxsJ9WKGj2E4zJPl0pysW7uWlNYy8xRv2U7iNcfQB3GxdXnCbEjJSNdgT8Lb8VM; Original-Received: from ip4d16b353.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([77.22.179.83] helo=isaac) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1cZKHU-0001hN-AD; Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:30:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:56:21 -0500") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.45.97.173 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.orgmode:111855 gmane.emacs.devel:211878 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> "DE" == David Engster writes: > > DE> Also, I currently have no idea how to continue with CEDET, as the future > DE> where development should happen is unclear, and I get the feeling we're > DE> just waisting our time with the ongoing merge. > > Until the dust has settled, please proceed, assuming nothing has > changed. Move your primary development into Emacs.git. > > The changes I'm proposing don't have to happen tomorrow, and I can still be > convinced they're unnecessary. So if you don't get convinced, we'll just move again, right? No big deal. > My gut tells me, however, that we're supporting an unnecessarily > monolithic development model for no better reason than "we're used to > it". > > In fact, what we're doing feels like if Python included Django in its main > repository, just to solve Django's problems of compatibility, testing, and > making its bugs known to the main Python developers. You are insinuating that my motivation is to delegate CEDET development to the core Emacs developers. This is simply not true, and I don't see how my original mail could be interpreted like that. So let me try again: What I find completely misguided is to move packages out of core *but still putting them into the release*. In other words, in my opinion there are really just two options that make sense: you either keep a package in core, or you kick it out and don't ship it with the release. Say the Python developers would decide: Hey, many people like Django, so let's just put their latest git master into our release and ship it. Would you think that is a good approach? -David