From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [elpa] master 550ae83 1/2: [gnugo int] Decruft: Don't declare hook and keymap vars.
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:39:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a89vmff5.fsf@zigzag.favinet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwva89w48vn.fsf-monnier+emacsdiffs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 08 Feb 2017 17:28:44 -0500")
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() Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
() Wed, 08 Feb 2017 17:28:44 -0500
why you prefer the non-idiomatic way
I don't know what to call idiomatic or non-idiomatic. I simply
try to muddle through (i.e., survive w/o {add,los}ing many gray
hairs) the evolution of Emacs. In the old days, the model was:
(defvar MODE-map nil) ; model A
(defun MODE () ...)
(unless MODE-map
(setq MODE-amp INIT))
This and the byte-compiled result worked fine for many years,
satisfying the design goals: (a) declare once; (b) init once,
even during re-‘load’ (to avoid clobbering customizations); (c)
init only after commands are defined. Aside: (c) is arguably
non-idiomatic to begin w/ for Emacs Lisp; it's a personal
aesthetic born from exposure to C and Guile, where keeping
definitions topologically sorted makes for less-cluttered code.
Then, at some point ‘define-derived-mode’ was introduced and i
tried the modified model:
(defvar MODE-map nil) ; model B
(define-derived-mode MODE ...)
(unless MODE-map
(setq MODE-map INIT))
This worked sometimes, but not others. I suspect the times it
didn't work were when byte-compiling substituted the ‘nil’ in
the declaration for ‘(make-sparse-keymap)’, resulting in the
‘unless’ CONDITION evaluating to true and thus precluding init.
Rather than investigate further, i vaguely recall reluctantly
forgoing design goal (c) and adopting the model:
(defvar MODE-map INIT) ; model C
(define-derived-mode MODE ...)
The comment in the removed INIT in the patch (in Subject) shows
some of the hand-wringing involved w/ the B-C transition. What
i (somewhat stupidly) didn't realize at the time is that using
‘define-derived-mode’ (models B and later) already departs from
design goal (a). So that brings us to the present model:
(define-derived-mode MODE ...) ; model D
(unless EXPECTED-MODE-map-BINDING
(INITIALZE MODE-map))
which once again supports all three design goals, though less
perfectly (CONDITION was algorithmic, now heuristic) than model
A. I think in this case, the chosen CONDITION is close enough.
Anyway, i especially enjoy the reduction in forms, which is what
i imagine the introduction of ‘define-derived-mode’ was supposed
to achieve. Pruned profligacy for perplexable programmers! :-D
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[not found] ` <20170208091858.F26CA220010@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2017-02-08 22:28 ` [elpa] master 550ae83 1/2: [gnugo int] Decruft: Don't declare hook and keymap vars Stefan Monnier
2017-02-09 17:39 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen [this message]
2017-02-09 18:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-10 5:15 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-02-14 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-16 9:41 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-02-12 11:12 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-02-13 7:29 ` Stefan Monnier
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