From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:01:25 +0200 Message-ID: <87a7nfquzu.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> <87woqka4wg.fsf_-_@red-bean.com> <87sh17prvo.fsf@fastmail.fm> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1539606196 19703 195.159.176.226 (15 Oct 2018 12:23:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:23:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 15 14:23:12 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gC1tv-00053O-PN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:23:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52083 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gC1w2-0003KM-9p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:25:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42697) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gC1Z4-0002I6-MJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:01:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gC1Z0-0007OR-EL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:01:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=34613 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gC1Z0-0007Nr-7J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:01:34 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gC1Wr-0003q4-R7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 13:59:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 16 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:kAMuF6PHdnENxyPv26+/oKvS1j4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230400 Archived-At: Joost Kremers writes: [snip] > the form of the `undo-tree' package: > > [snip] > IMvHO `undo-tree' should simply be made the default undo in Emacs. In my experience, undo-tree is one of those packages that looks impressive when you discover it but finally it is seldom used. OTOH, some of us experienced catastrophic failures while using undo-tree consisting on the disappearance of all undo information.