From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Improving aesthetics & readability of backquote Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 14:47:17 +0100 Message-ID: <87a7fhjl0a.fsf@tcd.ie> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="223517"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Paul W. 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Rankin's message of "Mon, 20 May 2019 23:35:02 +1000") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::544 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:236793 Archived-At: "Paul W. Rankin" writes: > On Mon, May 20 2019, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > >> I'm not sure this would really help much with comprehension -- >> especially the (splice b) thing. That looks like a function call, but >> modifies the structure of list of the parent sexp, which is quite >> magical indeed. > > All Emacs Lisp forms look like function calls. > >> ,@b at least tells the reader "there may be something here that's odd", >> which I think may help comprehension. > > Are you suggesting that ,@b is easier to comprehend than (splice b)? I think > that is a hard case to make. Try to put yourself in the mindset of someone just > learning Emacs Lisp. I think this is a subjective matter, so the question is, as you say in your other message, whether aliases should be added for those that prefer the latter form; not which form each person finds most readable. Thanks, -- Basil