From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tab bar tabs landed on master Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 22:53:40 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87a7adiraz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <8736gci5jn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87zhikp0ba.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87lfu4jbbu.fsf@Ergus.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87tv8myi8m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83imp13ihn.fsf@gnu.org> <87wodhn21l.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83ftk51ydt.fsf@gnu.org> <87imp1k79d.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838spx1x74.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="48826"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 06 22:02:06 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iHCjG-000CXY-J5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 22:02:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36686 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iHCjF-0002xN-CT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:02:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59804) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iHCj4-0002vy-Jw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:01:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iHCj3-0000GT-Ca for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:01:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eastern.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.55]:47324) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iHCj1-0000Fh-JF; Sun, 06 Oct 2019 16:01:52 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A186A740ED6; Sun, 6 Oct 2019 20:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a93.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-8-36.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.8.36]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2A616740ED1; Sun, 6 Oct 2019 20:01:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a93.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:240673 Archived-At: >> > Does it mean the tab-bar related "C-x 6" prefix conflicts with 2C? If >> > so, perhaps we should use "C-x 7" instead, as long as the genie is not >> > far from the bottle. >> >> "C-x 6" is the perfect prefix for tab commands because it's easier to >> remember as continuation of the sequence with window prefix "C-x 4" >> and frame prefix "C-x 5": > > I agree, but if "C-x 6" is already used, it's taken. Is it such a > catastrophe to use "C-x 7"? "C-x 7" is an illogical key, it breaks the sequence of C-x 4, C-x 5. >> > I'd like to avoid backward-incompatible changes if possible. >> >> Actually it's not quite backward-incompatible because it's still >> available after loading two-column.el. > > And then the tab-bar commands cannot be invoked via "C-x 6". That's > very confusing, I think. We should avoid a situation where 2 core > packages fight each other over key bindings. We need to ask the users of 2C how often they use C-x 6. I believe they are using a more mnemonic key f2. >> Also please read this comment in two-column.el that admits it's not mnemonic: >> >> ;; This one is for historical reasons and simple keyboards, it is not >> ;; at all mnemonic. All usual sequences containing 2 were used, and >> ;; f2 could not be set up in a standard way under Emacs 18. >> (global-set-key "\C-x6" '2C-command) > > It says nothing about whether people still use it, nor what exactly > "simple keyboards" means. Sorry, I still think there's a problem > here. As the comment in two-column.el explains, a choice of C-x 6 for 2C-command was just a historic accident. Using C-x 6 for tabs is more future-proof for next Emacs versions.