From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tabs Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:48:37 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87a7a4e5i2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <20191008160038.6xvnytnoruzphzd6@Ergus> <83zhibw6qn.fsf@gnu.org> <20191008164048.bnad4wdkcbatqepp@Ergus> <83v9szw4o4.fsf@gnu.org> <20191008234350.ahxt4zcylxqludoc@Ergus> <837e5ewc0a.fsf@gnu.org> <20191009103936.qjdwuidqnowswojw@Ergus> <83wodeup6a.fsf@gnu.org> <20191009120534.ud6st2xvrv3rv6iy@Ergus> <83o8yqumdl.fsf@gnu.org> <20191009135539.c2i6ob52td6p34ab@Ergus> <83k19euhic.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g1bl4y.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83zhi9rqcb.fsf@gnu.org> <877e5cmdpk.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83wodbprja.fsf@gnu.org> <87lftp1szr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834l0dm93u.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="36720"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 13 22:49:44 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iJkoB-0009Oo-Sn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 22:49:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42304 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJkoA-0002uC-BZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:49:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42981) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJknx-0002sa-KW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:49:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJknv-00065r-Kn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:49:29 -0400 Original-Received: from dog.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.48]:63806) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJknn-0005wN-TF; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:49:20 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEC2500DC6; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-171-212.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.171.212]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 21D7B500DFE; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:49:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a36.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:240985 Archived-At: >> Actually I don't understand why the no-toolkit case should differ from >> Lucid, Motif, Windows? They all have non-external tool-bar and tab-bar. > > It's been a while since I last used the non-toolkit X build of Emacs. > I thought it had no tool bar. If it does, then I think you are right. > >> Only GTK+ has an external tool-bar > > I think NS has an external tool bar as well, no? NS has an external tool bar and no tab bar, so its default value is nil. >> +\\='(tab-bar-lines tool-bar-lines) on Lucid, Motif, Windows and on all >> +other window systems (which means that adding/removing a tool bar or > > Instead of enumerating the toolkits, I'd simply say > > on all other types of GUI frames > > (but note my reference to NS above). Fixed.