* Re: master 7725fbc: Remove the Date header from message-draft-headers
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@ 2020-03-20 18:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-03-20 19:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2020-03-20 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel; +Cc: Eric Abrahamsen
eric@ericabrahamsen.net (Eric Abrahamsen) writes:
> * lisp/gnus/message.el (message-draft-headers): The Date header should
> reflect when the message is sent, not when it was saved or delayed.
Oh, and one other thing -- perhaps this should be mentioned in NEWS?
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2020-03-20 18:58 ` master 7725fbc: Remove the Date header from message-draft-headers Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2020-03-20 19:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-03-21 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-03-20 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: emacs-devel
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> eric@ericabrahamsen.net (Eric Abrahamsen) writes:
>
>> * lisp/gnus/message.el (message-draft-headers): The Date header should
>> reflect when the message is sent, not when it was saved or delayed.
>
> Oh, and one other thing -- perhaps this should be mentioned in NEWS?
I've never really known what's NEWS-worthy and what isn't. My gut tells
me that changing an option's default -- when the new value doesn't
represent an addition or removal of features -- isn't worth it. If this
change ends up significantly changing behavior for some users, I think
that would be a sign of unintended consequences and we should consider
rolling the change back until we understand it better.
2¢...
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* Re: master 7725fbc: Remove the Date header from message-draft-headers
2020-03-20 19:12 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2020-03-21 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-03-21 18:41 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2020-03-21 7:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: larsi, emacs-devel
> From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 12:12:26 -0700
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> > Oh, and one other thing -- perhaps this should be mentioned in NEWS?
>
> I've never really known what's NEWS-worthy and what isn't. My gut tells
> me that changing an option's default -- when the new value doesn't
> represent an addition or removal of features -- isn't worth it.
My rule is: if there's a doubt, then there's no doubt, and the change
should be in NEWS. The reason is simple: there are no downsides to
putting unimportant stuff there, but users do get annoyed by changes
that aren't called out there. So, a net win.
Thanks.
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* Re: master 7725fbc: Remove the Date header from message-draft-headers
2020-03-21 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2020-03-21 18:41 ` Eric Abrahamsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-03-21 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, emacs-devel
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
>> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 12:12:26 -0700
>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>>
>> > Oh, and one other thing -- perhaps this should be mentioned in NEWS?
>>
>> I've never really known what's NEWS-worthy and what isn't. My gut tells
>> me that changing an option's default -- when the new value doesn't
>> represent an addition or removal of features -- isn't worth it.
>
> My rule is: if there's a doubt, then there's no doubt, and the change
> should be in NEWS. The reason is simple: there are no downsides to
> putting unimportant stuff there, but users do get annoyed by changes
> that aren't called out there. So, a net win.
Sounds like a fine rule! I'll put it in now.
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