From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PL support Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 17:45:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87a72h5czj.fsf@randomsample> References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <87d07xamrg.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878silajdl.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tv18pyh4.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83zhaih0oz.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbegsvm.fsf@gnu.org> <83imh5hby1.fsf@gnu.org> <2e4e8ce9-d857-f3e3-31cf-a40dee67bd25@yandex.ru> <83y2q1dsvh.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="27964"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Emacs developers , =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , Stefan Monnier , Dmitry Gutov To: Philippe Vaucher Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 09 17:46:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXRg0-00075o-K7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 17:46:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60808 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXRfz-0005mf-3p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 11:46:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45410) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXRf7-0004GR-Ek for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 11:45:13 -0400 Original-Received: from zplane.randomsample.de ([2a03:4000:42:1a1:9400:eeff:feb4:c8a0]:58972) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXRf5-0004ep-7u; Sat, 09 May 2020 11:45:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=567RLmSBKHTTosEj63lBQPs8heIUK8P3zf17vo517vc=; b=eZyULu7Osr66ezWqm0rMKvqkY hpGmcLlC0bY72rMMh52G/FXoIBJU4BSbSubpKNwf3EyuENj2pzFv9XFMGFP2Ws7ur/IaZLmsA2pgw e6H4fouGRGDjhzPJ81umY1jl1A1ls/amgMLfxsmlRlrlJXQfn6hK3dkRztddMVTVVviwJ1FBjYQhd 8PlHkGi5fOBDA3xbk0c7LhYehtXnnkfGtOE/EvmeZ51lroK2nzFqKWpttolfsygMaQ07MoO0txbIA lqjB1IIldd+dbm8tesg2EAmvthuXOvDDN6zXvffIoy3C1hOPIM+mCpno2k0+3sTumF4rekIU+TDNY VuTWe/oTQ==; Original-Received: from [95.90.186.238] (helo=void) by zplane.randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXRez-000250-5f; Sat, 09 May 2020 17:45:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Philippe Vaucher's message of "Sat, 9 May 2020 17:39:13 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a03:4000:42:1a1:9400:eeff:feb4:c8a0; envelope-from=deng@randomsample.de; helo=zplane.randomsample.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/09 11:45:08 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249476 Archived-At: >> > I think Eli has indicated that LSP support in the core is desirable >> > at some point >> > >> Not only desirable: long overdue. Emacs must learn to use the latest >> technologies of supporting programming languages based on real >> parsing, because the time when it could be done with regular >> expressions and similar techniques has come and gone. We cannot >> enable significant new IDE-like features if we don't acquire these >> technologies. >> >> Please someone start working on this ASAP. We sorely need that, just >> look at the recent discussions on Reddit that underline these >> deficiencies in Emacs. > > Sorry to sound like captain obvious, but shouldn't we contact the > people at https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode and work with them on > this? Maybe that's already the case? I know there are also other > repositories with more or less the same goal. The emacs-lsp people discussed this, see here https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/83 Issue was closed with After we started using dash/f/s this is no longer possible. Also, eglot is in the core. -David