From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:26:53 +0100 Message-ID: <87a6uenlsy.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19876"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 16 10:28:21 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpT6Z-00054u-3E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:28:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46838 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpT6Y-0001OZ-1M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 04:28:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60770) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpT5O-0000oj-Sl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 04:27:06 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:55492) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpT5K-00047J-3F; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 04:27:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=kHVZepfxujgbUeclTgswglxz6s3sCxWA0B2J9NbgfTs=; b=EkVUh0vz+vAqKfAe/Zb7iTHN5m f9FI8kzQ1q6MDMvpIs3uaLW+UHM1p2u7S/J1GYux4uLoqNG2pPHRC2vOA8rvdZgoTJzChNtV/tsVh 0dFnkvwfm3UN+Vv/8JCQgSJ7kDXc5utRTRgG+j32LENLiv//1yYF7bAf5kyAhSQnWkyI=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpT5C-0005me-Rp; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:27:00 +0100 X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _The Early Years (4)_: "track" In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 16 Dec 2020 00:34:57 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260973 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > That doesn't imply that most users want toolbars. Maybe hardly anyone > wants toolbars. > > So here's an idea. We could make Emacs display, where the toolbar > would have been, a question: > > Would you like a toolbar here or not? Yes No > > If you click Yes, that customizes to permanently turn on the toolbar. > If you click No, that customizes to permanently turn off the toolbar. I think that sounds slightly intrusive... but we certainly could have something in the menu area for that: A mouse-3 popup that switches the toolbar on/off, for instance. > Each one could offer to click on a web page where you could > register your preference. That way we would get a complete sample. I'm not very enthusiastic about that -- it smacks a bit of "telemetry". We don't want Emacs to be seen as a piece of software that "phones home" and leaks data. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no