From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phillip Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [feature/internal-msys] thoughts of a more function windows package Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:13:07 +0000 Message-ID: <87a6sygf0s.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87pn2dq3xv.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83ft39hnk1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7nppzjy.fsf@russet.org.uk> <838s90hhb6.fsf@gnu.org> <87zh1gircl.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83turofw8r.fsf@gnu.org> <87sg6v76fd.fsf_-_@russet.org.uk> <83czxy7530.fsf@gnu.org> <87zh12grzh.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83wnw659kw.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8higedm.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83sg6t5t86.fsf@gnu.org> <87bldh7xue.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83bldg6h0o.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31458"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 24 23:14:27 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l3neM-00084W-IM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 23:14:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55538 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3neL-0002Zb-JH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 17:14:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55412) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3ndB-00029O-6s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 17:13:13 -0500 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:35660) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3nd8-0006bw-9Q; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 17:13:12 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=7nPa0sYU/OYOEvGyNB1rpJFPvPvAxQovO5SxhW0B7YM=; b=CdjoOOFjQvuZw2LszvM58wDHr r0f3MRpQE8LgfcXAgbzz29HINJ+VybD+dHh1qvClKxbuB63bQ83xcvxutzVinWPXI5mhwcEWWYZny 2+ROGwfkTAvQQOL9a18HYVr5b1BOpUkADwuE7Lh1qUqin27dc9PA6yjBlmfQ9cBr8VosWrKUdvaCi slXQkrsIOtxhzF7Z93VA+W20g+3pIS6jyRWtcMkqDmVvYYM9FkELJaYIIzOShozRBLf0OiaaLVK49 vmS7nNGxt7XooH2aqiv1J0CQ5jfCQdBt+P3254ilVuydjHBEfFN5H4twi2iP/qixEyMa+pSCSi9ZI VzUDAcVUg==; Original-Received: from cpc142648-benw12-2-0-cust627.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.10.74.116]:50342 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1l3nd6-0001zz-5j; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:13:08 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83bldg6h0o.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 22 Jan 2021 19:03:19 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk Received-SPF: none client-ip=78.129.138.110; envelope-from=phillip.lord@russet.org.uk; helo=cloud103.planethippo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263363 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > They mostly work, until they don't. Like with Cygwin, there are >> > subtle incompatibilities, mainly in file names and in communications >> > with subprocesses and response to "signals". Encoding defaults are >> > also different. >> >> That's true for the msys2 commands but not the mingw64 ones? > > Yes. That's why I asked about msys-1.0.dll: the programs that depend > on that aren't mingw64 (native) programs. But, mingw64 does not have all the packages I need. How do people use Emacs on windows? I mean, do they install find, ls, git, aspell and all the rest by hand? It's been a long time since I have done it. >> > The only way I know of is to distribute a program that writes into the >> > Registry. Don't forget that there are system-wide variables and >> > variables specific to the current user. And some systems have the >> > former locked down and the latter requires a UAC elevation. Good luck >> > (you will need it) with successfully negotiating all these obstacles. >> >> Would it be easier to have Emacs allow me to successfully update PATH >> during run? > > Update how? Using some magic that doesn't exist at the current time. I mean a way like did (by fiddling with setenv) that doesn't suffer the problems that it causes. Phil