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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276572 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas >> In any monospace font, I certainly prefer this: >>=20 >> When =E2=80=98recover-session=E2=80=99 is done, the files you=E2= =80=99ve chosen to recover >> are present in Emacs buffers. You should then save them. Only >> this =E2=80=94 saving them =E2=80=94 updates the files themselves. >>=20 >> To this: >>=20 >> When =E2=80=98recover-session=E2=80=99 is done, the files you=E2= =80=99ve chosen to recover >> are present in Emacs buffers. You should then save them. Only >> this=E2=80=94saving them=E2=80=94updates the files themselves. > > But that's against our style of writing documents, isn't it? I > believe the usual US English style is not to leave whitespace around > em dash. I agree that there is no universally consistent style here, but that=E2=80= =99s only because half the world is demonstrably mad. In a monospaced font, putting spaces around the dashes is the only thing that signals that they aren=E2=80=99t being used as a hyphen. In a variable=E2=80=93pitch fon= t then it is probably fine not to put any spaces. But if you=E2=80=99re using an en dash= in this role instead, then spaces are probably necessary again. Personally I prefer _not_ to use dashes of either width for this purpose; semicolons are less ambiguous. On the gripping hand, that particular sentence could easily be rewritten to avoid the use of either. Might even be an improvement. db48x