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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279651 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > I don't have any plan to push such a change (at least not yet ;-). > I just played with it, to get a feel for what's the landscape like, and > I was surprised to see that it might be not nearly as a bad as I expected. That's a relief, thanks. > BTW, in that same vicinity is another (yet more tricky) conflation, > which is the one for the shift modifier. I have a pretty good idea of > what the control modifier should do ideally (if we could rewrite the > past), but I don't even have a clear idea of how to handle the shift > modifier in a clean and regular way. Yes, I noticed that as well. Handling the shift modifier was also a huge PITA when developing the Haiku port. > If it only breaks `teco.el` and xwidget, then we're in business > (because I'd be happy to update those). The list I gave was in no way conclusive :) I only named code that would experience catastrophic failure if the change was made. For instance, I'm sure the behavior of `C-q C-d' would change if such a change was made.