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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279936 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > This is not directly concerned with Emacs, but I'm curious. > > According to Wikipedia, the "bad" problems of GStreamer have > _technical_ problems; perhaps they need more work. Do you know > whether all the "bad" plug-ins are ziyou? I don't know, but I was told by word-of-mouth that the GStreamer developers do not hold the "bad" plugins to any standard, both technical and freedom-wise. As such, they don't guarantee that those plugins are free software. > As for the "ugly" plug-ins, can you find for me a list of them, what > formats they support, and what the "distribution problem" of each one > is? Basically, I'd like to know what the obstacles are to their use. Unfortunately, I don't know of a precise list of obstacles, but here's a list of formats supported by the various plugins: - Microsoft ASF (possibly strangled by patents?) - DVD subtitles (though I don't know what precisely this is) - dvdlpcmdec (this possibly involves breaking DRM, could be illegal because of that) - RealMedia and RealAudio (patent encumbered, possible license problems) - "xingmux" (I couldn't find any information on this one) Thanks.