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HZ) for current-time etc. Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:17:40 +0200 Message-ID: <87a6c6d8kb.fsf@gnus.org> References: <165091562900.12167.2356992007535632125@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220425194030.030A8C01687@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87pml4jian.fsf@gnus.org> <085fffc3-f0fa-902a-1fa2-e4e7550f06f4@cs.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25129"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 27 14:18:25 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1njgcj-0006Kk-Sg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:18:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45018 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1njgci-0003GU-ED for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 08:18:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55056) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1njgc7-0002bB-Ki for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 08:17:47 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:60282) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1njgc6-0001UG-4D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 08:17:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=MPn5I8CBzOlPVoBuV1lxa3pN+ZtizgGvI/xeVsYpy28=; b=KVOUxI/gYgaVF0vsMgscoYCwr9 JRtBKbewEaAcxJalp8Cijpp3bC+wDRNg9kmUQofgaE2u8CSbcG2ATtlEsArN9YHMiVCcBqY8yvNG9 3jQ7177Us4NQ1lIxPMkOi0TCFl5ZkBj6k3hS7xy8uUo2YQbV1nug0TUICzYvpm+diUIk=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1njgc1-00056X-Cx; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:17:43 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAALVBMVEX+/v7XzuGxkshZ OodxU6RoSJacaalZMlpDI0IgDh+QVXPHfKW7lL9wRmL///93KfLhAAAAAWJLR0QOb70wTwAAAAd0 SU1FB+YEGwwECB38kDMAAAF/SURBVDjL1dMhT8NAFAdwQKAQ8BUmqoYhC0XD3T4AazeFacZRAjMQ uOvIGRJyVxJ0e2IKQdJldmYoBOrsWGly34XbJng3Nwd/2V/e+7826cbG/8iezXoAs7nn5Be2GigM UIhwOM8pgADZ4CZaZBWwj87bCCN07AAOjhhlotENHECo5UsllRLtbnDqQMhyZSMYWoFOOn+ucikC d9XRElSahRCamM0he7MzwploLeBBf1t1YFGRj68vbT8o31nC4P0qsQyBYGahuv60kMFzcce+nHqe 9JKnRB0A6Jh5OR/G2a2f3gDw6TRRuZGlML7/CIDOOFNZkfZnfNq6d4B+xfdjakrRfz2EYHh1NXnv CWYqMwTnCm5m00h7pSgFBbAtGKfmK/rwGONDOCEF5WcFier7qir6AIwtJ23tRZ405QCuKugdifQH IRdlCiGv3rhdpD3Ssd8SgKxGd6SmtXfCVO4AH72QqFbz4lTJAbyKF5zUta7FuTTgqnWz/Al214A/ mB8HIcOZ9rwRIgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMi0wNC0yN1QxMjowNDowOCswMDowMCU2 cAIAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjItMDQtMjdUMTI6MDQ6MDgrMDA6MDBUa8i+AAAAAElF TkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Kate Bush's _Hounds of Love_: "The Big Sky" In-Reply-To: <085fffc3-f0fa-902a-1fa2-e4e7550f06f4@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:28:48 -0700") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288913 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > I asked here when this code was added years ago. I also surveyed code > in ELPA at the time. As I recall, it appeared that it wouldn't be that > much of a problem and that any fixes would be simple. (My memory is no > doubt biased. :-) > > The CIDER bug is now fixed > . FWIW > the unfixed CIDER code didn't always work in Emacs 28 and earlier > either, though its bugs there were intermittent. I think there's a high likelihood that users have many snippets of code out there that are doing maths on the result from `current-time' (which used a well-defined and documented format), and that code will break. Packages like CIDER can be fixed, of course, but I think we'll be putting our users through a lot of pain here. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no