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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289968 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Philip, Thanks for the suggestions! Philip Kaludercic writes: > Great to see another survey being organised! Looking through the > questions I=E2=80=99d like to note the following: > > - Add =E2=80=9CCollege=E2=80=9D to who introduced someone to Emacs I=E2=80=99ve changed =E2=80=9CUniversity=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9CUniversity/Co= llege=E2=80=9D. Let me know if you think this should be two separate options. > - Add NonGNU ELPA to the package repositories Done. > - The list of favourite packages should not mandatory Hmm, is it not reasonably to assume that everybody has at least a few packa= ges they think look pretty good? Hmm, it doesn=E2=80=99t seem too bad if we wer= e to just have a maximum. > - The built-in themes should be added to the theme list If we have all the built-in themes, the list gets a bit long. The approach = I=E2=80=99m taking is trying to prioritise the most popular options, and leave the =E2= =80=9Cother=E2=80=9D box for everyone else. > - The terminal emulator question should be rephrased =E2=80=9Chow do you = use a > shell within emacs=E2=80=9D, though this is nit-picking Perhaps. I=E2=80=99m not sure on this. > - Email clients should also have Rmail, Mew and MH The previous survey indicated a small fraction of responses for these, is t= here a reason why you think the =E2=80=9Cother=E2=80=9D box would not be good en= ough? > - Perhaps a question on what spell checking programmes are used It=E2=80=99s there, I think you might have missed it :) > - I think adding vundo to the undo package list would be nice Added! > (points like these should also be presented with some explanation, becaus= e I > can imagine a lot of users don=E2=80=99t even know about these packages = to begin > with) Hmm. Not a bad idea. I won=E2=80=99t do this right now, but this is worth r= evisiting later. > - A general comment on the =E2=80=9CMy framework/starter kit=E2=80=99s de= fault=E2=80=9D. Will > you be able to infer what they use, from the framework or is this just > a vauge option? Since we ask earlier what framework/starter kit they=E2=80=99re using (if a= ny), yes! In fact, I=E2=80=99m hoping this will be more informative/accurate in the case= of users that haven=E2=80=99t changed the framework/starter kit default and aren=E2= =80=99t exactly sure what they=E2=80=99re using. > - Perhaps mention fido-mode in the =E2=80=9Cselection=E2=80=9D package Is it used enough to be lifted out of the =E2=80=9Cother=E2=80=9D box? I do= n=E2=80=99t recall seeing it much in the 2020 survey results. > - Are the =E2=80=9Cgender=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cnationality=E2=80=9D ques= tions necessary? I can imagine > that the former one can cause a lot of complaints (especially when > there is no =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99d prefer not to say=E2=80=9D) option. There=E2=80=99s no =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99d prefer not to say=E2=80=9D option a= s the entire question is optional. If it seems like adding that is a good idea though, I=E2=80=99m happy to do so. The 2020 survey asked what people thought of adding demographic questions, = and the response was (IIRC) overwhelmingly =E2=80=9Csure, why not=E2=80=9D. So = these questions are a response to that. > - Are the =E2=80=9Cother=E2=80=9D option plain text fields or a kind of = =E2=80=9Cnone of the above=E2=80=9D? Text fields :) All the best, Timothy --=-=-=--