From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2022 22:54:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87a6aochz6.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87h74ztshe.fsf@gmx.de> <871qw31ois.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735gj4ceo.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee038ipt.fsf@gmx.de> <87o7z61v59.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkv527p5.fsf@gmail.com> <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> <87k09scotc.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19289"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Tim Cross , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 08 01:07:09 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nyiI0-0004mk-Mw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2022 01:07:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49600 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyiHz-0007lX-Bq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 19:07:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41222) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nygDh-0003bf-7J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 16:54:35 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:47404) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nygDf-0002Ya-IL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 16:54:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=a7CU4XsgYN98XV1d2ZJIWs3Tov7WeosZGaRL3/jE58I=; b=F68aQV4dw0jZQhDuULL4h80V2J OylT/V+OWp2PsqUAb/K2YuTezKbyWCjHPtnffQXeKiOihzr3rD+twqcwDSyKnlJUjdQBRGgquJB9m f0ytD0SakZN9w3OWKGzj/he7lzq6kRYpF0SDRyH07Za6dHPoIg+JPedKeADQwxh82Hkg=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nygDX-0008Pv-QC; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 22:54:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 07 Jun 2022 14:48:31 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290883 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> But I don't understand the discussion this thread warped out of. When >> we display a README from Package, we shouldn't be showing the raw text >> of README.org or README.md > > Why not? If it can be prettified on the fly by font-lock? > > Separating "viewing" from "editing" is un-Emacsish, because it puts > a barrier between the "consumers" and the "producers" whereas Emacs > likes to try and get end-users exposed to the source as mush as possible > so it takes little effort for them to change role. That's true, but on the other hand, we don't show texinfo files to people for a good reason. That's about as "plain text" as normal Org files, or as some Markdown files get. (Most Markdown files are kinda pleasant, but there's plenty of scope for unreadability -- it drops down into HTML for tables, for instance.) Or take doc strings as an example -- it's always been a markup language, too (\\ and \\[] and \\<>), but it's moving more clearly in that direction -- because we want to make the documentation we present the user pretty and easy to read. And we have one-key commands to take us to the source code, which we could have in the Package README rendering, too. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no