From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 11:39:27 +0200 Message-ID: <87a67vuwmo.fsf@gnus.org> References: <83wnb1bt96.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26283"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com To: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 23 11:40:23 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQQOV-0006j8-7S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 11:40:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34222 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQQOU-00028R-9H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 05:40:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37696) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQQNl-0001Gw-6J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 05:39:37 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:54494) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQQNj-0007N2-Pg; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 05:39:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=i2iw2AZk9xEsH1VKslMSmzRSN5oqpwuJTyLtUJ8vO1c=; b=mIlDxLQOJpbAvz6J8Nmzp5RyyD Cv3v88rwKr5wZJ9dQHV1zW9WxcDCL9cpusAH4UDVU78U04+uHub5kB+mhzaMmT1kuVepLLYAtvYH2 dprYlHMz/lT6y2H2sLBFARyRCS3KP57hDOM+ph/UANVBABRsMaJntGCmSBj5STkrNUjU=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQQNe-000752-Hy; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 11:39:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: ("Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann=22's?= message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2022 09:38:10 +0200") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEUzGBdPKiJtTD+f emP///+YbcQvAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+YIFwkHALHn25AAAAGQSURBVDjLbZTbdcAg CEAlXQDIAgEXaGT/3QqiiUnKjx4vD3loKSFAiFC+QgEoVXA5r0YpEiCRq4H+7n5YAOzAsKAjQTGu tbHaVptqVbWTpYNqZq2Z1b1Z31utCarvm+0GvgmNVrX4HcGAqHmUHQEEaCMPExZ78zRc8MfcP1Hm E678KiRxr2qihDcoaRHInYwEaSyLJIEvKAuAj8FwlUewWMBcLhtEfAdnSdKPYAnOZ5zOGAvYzxF8 bZXrdwu5ol+ZVwfMOmPcrgLQAhYLLyArf10pbhIWD1CIN+9386YLPWMgn2a935iZDABsvzEHpoY5 c7O6bGcHZlIewbWmK3eW+lkxhqY2RfEqOwj6CKa+K5w3OBRa0yYdVlkadRTulVf1RNYEs4Fy9xaW uRJSVmF51gqnI34XMUTlDcYAuYW+qjs99RhrEZlF+zPzlsgcBowpogDsPXHQtaHktPR58yyF7q7j iIJjFpHyNcXidqQk0iuSgAotqfjU+VPrY4rX5wF97zW46rS8FChLcv/8Rh38AdXYQFTLI7H7AAAA JXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTA4LTIzVDA5OjA3OjAwKzAwOjAws9CHUwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0 ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMi0wOC0yM1QwOTowNzowMCswMDowMMKNP+8AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Fairport Convention's _Come All Ye (6)_: "09-Fiddlestix (The Devil in the Kitchen).flac" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293859 Archived-At: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: > But maybe I'm biased because I've been using C++ in commercial settings > a lot, in large projects, and for a very long time. I'd be interested to > hear what other contributors think about this. I don't thing reading/writing C++ would be a problem for most Emacs contributors. My main reservation is how slow compiling C++ code seems to be -- whenever I'm building something written in C++ (especially if it uses Qt, apparently) I schedule a couple of laps around the block to have something to do while waiting.