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From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding a "quick-help" menu
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a66yvc5j.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=Ly+P-UKO-Kmrf-dE9nZ8E-ws4mu9bPNUvpinNmD=9BA@mail.gmail.com> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 16 Sep 2022 22:51:41 -0400")

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> FWIW, I don't see how the menu bar could be a replacement.

Why not?

Most computer users immediately look in the menu labeled "Help" for
help.

> Note also that the menu bar is not very popular among users: 74.3 % of
> the 7300 users that replied to the Emacs Survey in 2020 disabled it.[1]
> It'd be interesting to know how many of those that didn't disable it use
> it more than occasionally, but I don't think that data was collected.

If they turn off the features that are supposed to help them, what do
you think a "quick help" menu will do?  And why won't it be turned off
as well?

Besides, if they turn off the menu bar and splash screen at startup, how
will we impart the existence of the "quick help" menu to them?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-09-17  4:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-16 15:43 Adding a "quick-help" menu Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-16 16:11 ` Sean Whitton
2022-09-16 16:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-16 16:48   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-16 17:03     ` Sławomir Grochowski
2022-09-16 17:22       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17 12:09         ` Gregor Zattler
2022-09-17 14:44           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17 17:48             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-17 21:45               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18  0:05                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-18  5:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-18  9:10                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18  5:07             ` Visuwesh
2022-09-18  7:51             ` Gregor Zattler
2022-09-17 14:53           ` which-key (was: Adding a "quick-help" menu) Stefan Monnier
2022-09-18  5:12             ` which-key Visuwesh
2022-09-18  8:56               ` which-key Gregory Heytings
2022-09-18  8:58             ` which-key (was: Adding a "quick-help" menu) Gregory Heytings
2022-09-18  9:19               ` which-key Po Lu
2022-09-18  9:53                 ` which-key Gregory Heytings
2022-09-18 10:10                   ` which-key Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-18 13:51                     ` which-key Stefan Monnier
2022-09-18 15:39                       ` which-key Stefan Kangas
2022-09-18 16:43                         ` which-key Gregor Zattler
2022-09-18 16:49                       ` which-key Gregory Heytings
2022-09-19  8:08                         ` which-key Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-19  8:19                           ` which-key Gregory Heytings
2022-09-19 13:26                             ` which-key Corwin Brust
2022-09-19 23:43                               ` which-key Emanuel Berg
2022-09-19  8:06                       ` which-key Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-19  9:08                         ` which-key Stefan Kangas
2022-09-18 11:09                   ` which-key Po Lu
2022-09-17 16:47           ` [External] : Re: Adding a "quick-help" menu Drew Adams
2022-09-16 17:11     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-16 17:29       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-16 17:38         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-09-16 17:36       ` Drew Adams
2022-09-16 18:00       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-17  1:56       ` Po Lu
2022-09-16 21:03 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17 14:53   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17  1:54 ` Po Lu
2022-09-17  2:51   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-17  3:28     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-17  4:01       ` Visuwesh
2022-09-17  4:50       ` Po Lu
2022-09-17  4:48     ` Po Lu [this message]
2022-09-17  6:38       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-17  8:24         ` Po Lu
2022-09-17  8:49   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17 16:45     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-09-17 17:36       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 10:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-18 10:53   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 17:03     ` Bob Rogers
2022-09-18 17:53       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 19:25         ` Bob Rogers
2022-09-18 20:38         ` wilnerthomas--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-09-18 21:21           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18 22:45             ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-18 23:00               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-19  1:40                 ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-19  7:54     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-19  8:26       ` Po Lu
2022-09-19  9:08         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-19  9:08     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-09-19 10:12       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-13 14:30         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-13 19:09           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-13 20:21             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-14 11:03               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14  7:30             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-14 11:08               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14 18:10                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16  0:29             ` Howard Melman
2022-10-16 16:01               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16 16:13                 ` Howard Melman
2022-10-16 22:44                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17  1:00                     ` Howard Melman
2022-10-17  1:00                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-10-17  6:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  6:29                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17  7:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  7:12                         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-17 15:32                           ` Howard Melman
2022-10-17  5:10         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-17  6:31           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-20  5:58             ` Protesilaos Stavrou
2022-10-20  6:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-20 11:27                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-20 12:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-20 16:37                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-20 16:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-19 15:21     ` Howard Melman

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