From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2022 14:07:15 +0200 Message-ID: <87a66917gs.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ty9lha.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepym6ok.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <877d1i9h7k.fsf@gnus.org> <83edvqyr3q.fsf@gnu.org> <874jwl8e4p.fsf@gnus.org> <871qrm2eiu.fsf@gnus.org> <87k05d25rv.fsf@gnus.org> <87bkqp23be.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ttzrmp.fsf@gnus.org> <87tu4hzqrb.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15462"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andrea Corallo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 06 14:13:52 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ogPl9-0003oY-Ug for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 14:13:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43558 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogPl8-0004XK-QP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:13:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52980) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogPf3-0001Lg-Vy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:07:39 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:58604) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogPf2-0005eV-2b; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:07:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+iNqBskZjtXkrMdFmHJ5hnN+cvyGb3xN0gvq9wtm+iQ=; b=Dw6K3Ptng1ZA6OwYW98d2EYAMW iviLMANWleL/klu5f5qae9NA4h3Nbh0WjWaO7NtFQI0h69NU5fY6dKthj8Cl2eA33cY0bCyC790FF 2+uX3qUi6KeW3/ev8/vDxTtECbbypzYSulNX9HNZEaqzqb8zlCboD9qglYOCbrTQgdg8=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ogPem-0002U3-Bt; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 14:07:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Andrea Corallo's message of "Thu, 06 Oct 2022 01:39:12 +0000") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEV2Uk3Au67u9vX/ ///L+4V1AAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+YKBgs1N3XLnRoAAAGMSURBVCjPVdKxatxAEAbg WXES8VU2SCZSlSIpck+hhFiQToGbBW2VwnegfYrD4BSu7oy1YFU6oxWeecrsSMHBWyx8aGaY/RHA u7NNoYS4vNzGJaS+7Txqt8f+AKluf3r9+EfvTA1Z0exuv0+dRlvDtcF9a1ynG/sbCvNr347F846+ zqjwmHCb4wDFg3ZXpaIkaQIcjQhQ6+hLwNjiBICbSsooNx4UoXkJYHZURvRUscBPfExwUFZAu36y zbgA/cNxzVQZGZBwz8ymcoKCe+uZipPgmilVoUymUcTsLXstGCOemK0/CY4RnxrKYjQLaAV1vBUM Cd/m1SGPe8H6NbsY4UMmGMMO8VCuWAYMxVOdXh3AzojuEfclLF9Uj8g/1DQD7IXmG+VmfPqs6lX0 bVkHMr/F8/2ChD3aAY2g3gT0L499QK42TDpEJO/5mIewAjopy+06lIX3zT1c8SmgmzfgO54C3IIz n7u5bY6XvQtJLWBpIP2GkKH5D0v2Da9W7n+QDsEqxnCUXOW7H+wv6Cvqu1FwwH4AAAAldEVYdGRh dGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjItMTAtMDZUMTE6NTM6NTUrMDA6MDDUG/OhAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlm eQAyMDIyLTEwLTA2VDExOjUzOjU1KzAwOjAwpUZLHQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Davitt Sigerson's _A Christmas Record_: "It's A Big Country" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297094 Archived-At: Andrea Corallo writes: > Anyway I thought we were discussing / trying to solve mainly the user > request. Is this about test repeatability? Did we had repeatability > issues with native code I'm not aware? There were two things requested, and one of them was related to test repeatability (which then also requires not writing anything to eln-cache). It's not a matter of specific issues with native code, but a general principle -- you should be able to run the same test twice and have it trigger all the same code paths. That's just a general maintenance principle.