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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299238 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: > What are we trying to find? From what I know use-package is already a > very mature package, written by very capable people. I expect most of > the changes to be made after use-package.el has been added to the core. > >> Ultimate aim here is to make use-package to emacs.git, so users have >> use-package available without any effort. ELPA is just a step in that >> direction. >> >> 1 -> 2 -> 3 is also how Eglot went about and it worked quite well for it. > > Yes, but the arrow between points 2 and 3 would have to be pretty long. > Eglot was an ELPA package from the very beginning, and I don't know if > the documentation was ever as incomplete as it is for use-package right > now. The rewrite into Texinfo (which is probably what I had confused) > took place just before the package was merged into the core. > use-package will now be added to GNU ELPA with _incomplete_ Texinfo > documentation. This is my objection. An outdated manual with "TODO"s > can be more frustrating than no documentation at all. > >> From my understanding, ELPA has less stringent requirements for >> documentation and testing compared to core. Since I cannot commit enough >> time to complete all the tasks before expected 29 branch-off, ELPA is a >> good compromise IMO. > > Most packages on ELPA don't have any special documentation, most don't > need any documentation either. Use-package is more complicated, All fair points. I will focus on getting TexInfo doc in shape before making PR ready for review. Should we comment out use-package recipe in elpa-packages.el until then? --