From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Security in the emacs package ecosystem Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:57:34 +0000 Message-ID: <87a61bkzq9.fsf@localhost> References: <8735hatt4m.fsf@alshehhi.io> <87fsblfuc6.fsf@localhost> <87wn4gd232.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4205"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Husain Alshehhi , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 18 11:58:27 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pTKvC-0000uM-NW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 11:58:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pTKuc-00018F-4t; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 05:57:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pTKuW-000162-PP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 05:57:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pTKuU-0003yW-AO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 05:57:44 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F993240399 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 11:57:32 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1676717852; bh=JUDz0lqYW291gIp8NRsOI2JiwpvJXlS1i+5P5pn//3k=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=qD/7PcOCiszJ/utVD5RbePpPhnEtDW4TF7PQXgBMXkgOl98J0fp8d7IUv3+Dvcx1r K12z82QeNtxr91vTvQw9gKxtz9YD8J+qbrIAuo1LogbeOrYH4vPfm7vLaBuVPEq6MD kT4TYtXATXY86pb/LR8CWj3QtJkQb7294rNuH+J+WKJGdvm+Q8tltBqnT5fF6KT6sB 95r2A23VwsosuKs4lkvLETn/xJllN9HklquhpOZq+146JsN7OCpXRgIO1+kD5sRIJG ScGPPG8YJm4sJJYVTRqBJOJkmPSQ6I2uTKUR4GtOXDi79y9w5P1IAbPr1vCyA4XY2j u9Xmo1/Yj5+Mw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PJly2745Dz6tmH; Sat, 18 Feb 2023 11:57:30 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303524 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: >> 2. Allow users to demand package.el to verify signatures when >> downloading packages. Interested users can then increase their >> security by rejecting packages without .sig file. > > Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't that `package-check-signature'? It is. I found it shortly after sending my message. > Its current default is `allow-unsigned', however, which is about as > useful for security purposes as if it was nil. I think we should > consider changing it to t in Emacs 30. If the default is t, users will be forced to have OpenPGP installed. Maybe the default should be like t, but only when OpenPGP is available. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at