From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unboxed package manager Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 19:10:25 +0000 Message-ID: <87a605or8e.fsf@posteo.net> References: <57668895-8EEA-44F7-BD46-9CDFAA11FD2C@gmail.com> <87zg87saw8.fsf@posteo.net> <87sfdxgc0f.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7688"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lynn Winebarger , Yuan Fu , emacs-devel To: Augusto Stoffel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 21 20:11:41 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pehOW-0001lp-CD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:11:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pehNs-0006eY-09; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 15:11:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pehNg-0006Qz-WC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 15:10:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pehNP-0003wo-0X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 15:10:48 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1CA024049F for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:10:26 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1679425828; bh=4Oe/A5+mIFIsh5YDoRqDVAtWDomMTmV172XK04Wr/74=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=bYh+3xIuH4PX6alIFlHfyhwFiCRDpB5aOq9DJcv+BZJ0gXn1Lv1CUF2d/yFs/RGH0 CQcrkJnNTp13v+G2ScPADznp/UDMP4kT6A6GCM0pZjGfFxtw/lc1IUawDeSzPeUrzl Pq1W7nrw/WID5wCgueqPRXRGDpe3H9dEiMMN+2W+bekzxhWONfgwaQdTRJu3Vj36kX AL+DFi76QM/zbbJvl9eyfJyGhPUQ6keb/8gt0Ba8mbYZRSfwk1S1+g170+mMn01CDh 1Su7et8JF5yvbprsPPYBtJlxjWXqbCmMot4lXDcCmfJLERb6D2qp0kflQ9mBHRjvlB lV27JbKGTuezA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Ph1QT5JyTz9rxB; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:10:25 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87sfdxgc0f.fsf@gmail.com> (Augusto Stoffel's message of "Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:06:24 +0100") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:304680 Archived-At: Augusto Stoffel writes: > On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 15:25, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > >> I just skimmed through the initial message, and when reading this my >> initial thought is does the the advantage justify effort/complexity, >> considering that most users have an order of magnitude fewer packages >> installed (of which a few are installed using package-vc which IIUC >> would explicitly not want to make use of this feature). > > I do think there's at least one aspect of this idea that many many > people need, namely: a simple way to add a directory such as > ~/.emacs.d/lisp to the load path, with automatic support for autoloads, > byte-compilation and what not. Such a thing is also useful if you are > developing some package, say at ~/project/mypackage. > > A package manager exploiting this form or organizing elisp libraries > would be nice for some, I guess, but certainly it's a more niche > necessity. There is no strict need for this to be a package manager. I propose something like that a year ago: https://wwwcip.cs.fau.de/~oj14ozun/src+etc/site-lisp.el In principle I could bundle this into a package and add it to ELPA. -- Philip Kaludercic